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  • how people in the UK can welcome the retinal scan for payment of school lunches yet bristle about a lowly ID card. I'll be getting a national ID when I enter Finland and it doesn't bother me since the US has been tracking people for so long in all but the reality of an ID card that it seems late and extraneous at this point. I'm sure the UK isn't much different in this respect. Why all the fuss over something that is really just a foregone conclusion?

    • I don't have a problem with carrying an ID card if I actually thought it would do any good. My problem is that it appears that such a card will not deliver the stated benefits. Fraud will not be reduced, crime may well increase as the cards become valuable things to forge/acquire. So over a billion pounds will be spent for little real benefit. It just doesn't seem like a good deal to me.
      • I presume you carry a drivers license or a is this ID any different or more objectionable? Any ID is subject to fraudulent reproduction so the fear of identity theft seems dated and moot. The expense seems a bit high but there are worse things a government could spend money on.

        • I presume you carry a drivers license or a is this ID any different or more objectionable?

          It's different in terms of scope (i.e. a superset of both UK passport holders and driving licence holders) but that isn't really my point.

          The government is trying to sell this idea on the basis that it will cut down on fraud and identity crime whereas the reality is most likely that it will increase the scale of fraud achievable because the document will be the key to many things but this potential for abuse, by both legitimate users of the system and those who can subvert the system isn't really my point either.

          My point is that the UK government has such a woeful record of repeatedly failing to deliver large scale projects on time or to budget that this 1bn GBP budget is almost certainly much less than it will really cost. Combine this with the paralysis that will set in across government as departments freeze projects while they "wait for the ID system" and you have a recipe for a monstrous failure.

          That's what I object to and it has nothing to do with whether I think ID cards per-se are a good thing or not.

          That money could better be spent on more books with which to educate our children than in adding yet another layer to our already creaking government. </rant> :)

          • This I can understand :) It's much like the US and the 'Homeland Security Agency' or whatever they're calling this week which will consolidate a large number of organisations, etc. that will ultimately fail to meet its mission and merely waste a lot of money in the process while schools are currently curtailing the school year and services due to drastic budget problems.