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  • You're clearly not putting that into the larger context of everything pudge has to say. I think it's clear pudge doesn't sit around dismissing liberals because "it's just wishful thinking" or "they think we can all have a Star Trek like existence." However, these are specific things that have been brought up to him. The Star Trek question was brought up two or three episodes ago.

    And all of this was in the context of, "Do you think conservatives are motivated by fear? And do you think liberals are just

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    • Pudge deliberately chose a very narrow description of liberals -- and not one that I know of any liberal subscribing to -- and then used that to contrast against conservatives who reject that thinking. That's about as unfair a comparison as one can get and it definitely meets the criteria of straw man [wikipedia.org].

      • Pudge deliberately chose a very narrow description of liberals

        OK, now you are just lying about me. Please stop. You posted this AFTER you admitted I didn't say what you said I said. And now you continue to claim I did say it. Why are you lying about me?
        • by Ovid (2709) on 2006.09.27 1:48 (#50460) Homepage Journal

          Sigh. I am not lying, Pudge. I very specifically apologized to you for saying that you accused "all liberals" of the idiocy you described. That was clearly a mistake on my part and I am genuinely sorry for that mischaracterization.

          But as anyone who wants to read my comments in context [perl.org] can see, I take exception to your choosing to present a minority view (a minority so small I've never met anyone who subscribes to it) of Democrats, described them as "many Democrats", and deliberately used that as a contrast to your wise, thoughtful, enlightened conservatives. It's technically not a lie, but I believe it's disingenuous at best.

          To repeat the gist of my disagreement for those who don't want to wade into the other thread, here's a counter-example:

          Many conservatives are on a mad, hate-filled frenzy of xenophobia, willing to kill anyone who opposes America. Their thinly veiled -- sometimes open -- racism is harming our country. Liberals reject this viewpoint and accept that different people and cultures must learn to live together in peace.

          Of course, since I'm fuzzy on the word "many", that's also technically correct and if I posted that to my LiveJournal blog, there are probably quite a few folks out there who wouldn't see a problem with that statement, though it's so over the top I'm sure I'd be called on it.

          Remember when Clinton said "I did not have sex with that woman"? Because of how he defined "sex" and the fact that he may have been pointing at someone other the Monica Lewinsky, many people have pointed out that what Clinton said might not technically be untrue. That's a far cry from making the statement honest.

          • Sigh. I am not lying, Pudge. I very specifically apologized to you for saying that you accused "all liberals" of the idiocy you described. That was clearly a mistake on my part and I am genuinely sorry for that mischaracterization.

            And then you keep making that mischaracterization.

            But as anyone who wants to read my comments in context can see, I take exception to your choosing to present a minority view (a minority so small I've never met anyone who subscribes to it) of Democrats, described them as "many Dem
            • I should have said "liberals" instead of "democrats". I just woke up and replied too quickly.

              Has it occured to you that instead of being a liar, I might genuinely have a difference of opinion? I am not lying. I've linked to the context so that people can see for themselves. They might disagree with my conclusions, but that does not make me a liar.

              • Has it occured to you that instead of being a liar, I might genuinely have a difference of opinion?

                That is not possible. You keep repeating something (that I said this is the viewpoint of liberals) that you admitted I did not do.

                You're lying.
              • I know Ovid said he was only talking about SOME Christians [perl.org]. But I feel he really does mean all Christians. And I know he didn't say they are evil, but I feel that's what he really meant. And even though he denies it, I am not lying, because it is my opinion.

                So, Ovid is a bigot against Christians. And he also hates blacks. You can totally infer that from what he said.