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  • The only new thing, is that it will be too short to present/explain/compare seriously the different programs...

    Otherwise it seems it will be as usual in France :
    • People only talking about what others did wrong
    • People talking about the "affaires"
    • People making vague promises that they will forget as soon as they'll be elected...
    • No serious real debate

    The worst is that it's true for each party !
    (I can give example, if asked)

    It sometimes makes me sick to hear them complaining about the people's lack of

    • As I said in my previous entry on the subject, campaigns aren't where politics happen. Never, not in any country that I know. To a certain extent, this can be considered "logical". The goal of the campaign is to win the elections, and then the politics happen (or not ;-)

      I totally agree that this is not optimal, but in the past having genuine public debates has proven disastrous as any well-developed idea is broken by the simplest demagogy. One thing that I find a pity is that the programs are avail

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      -- Robin Berjon [berjon.com]

      • I hope you won't take it for a personnal attack, but what you say is a perfect illustration of what I dislike in politician politic :

        The goal of the campaign is to win the elections, and then the politics happen (or not ;-)
        Sorry but no, Call me an idealist but I thought it should be a moment when everybody would present/share/compare his Ideas to make the things better.
        Now every people involved in politic find it normal to see it ONLY as a race to win (Should I underline that the reach for power totally bypass the citizens interest).

        The second one is that there's one candidate in the mix -- Chirac -- that has done a lot more "affaires" than all the others put together.
        What amazed me most, is how clever people tend to loose all objectivity when the discussion comes to politic.
        I'm neither for PS nor for RPR (nor for UM nor for any other party), but from my point of view every party has a skeleton in its closet :
        • Pasqua's name is mentionned in several current investigation.
        • Le Pen was even condamned !
        • PS is not untouched by the affaires(Roland Dumas, Mitterand wiretapping,Destrade's case...)
        • The RPR is also hit by the Schuler's case among MANY others
        • ...
        All I want to say that no one is WORSE than the other, they're sadly all equally corrupted, in my humble opinion of course.

        I won't hide the fact that I'm left-wing, and that while there are a few promises that I was counting on that didn't make it, I also saw quite a few that imho were held. Simply thinking of the 35 hour work week,...
        Yes few promises weren't held, but the most important to me :
        • The retirement's financing (is the translation correct?) was totally AVOIDED
        • The 35 hours !
          Sorry but you should know that for small enterprise the 35hours can be legally 38h36 (It's the case in my company) with no other advantage...
          Furthermore before talking about the 35 hours, I'd like to be allowed to do only 39 hours (or better get paid for the bonus hours...)
        • This year we'll be able for the first time to fill online the income tax form.
          I'm sad to say that internetisation of the administration remain a buzz word for me.
        • Cryptography legalization.
          I mean real Crypto, the 128bit limits forbiding some of the most useful...

        Finally, my cynical half wants blood and mud-slinging ;-)
        Even if you're joking, some people are not...

        So yes I'd like to talk about politic with any person whatever his "political color", in fact my dream program steal ideas from different party (green,PS,Bayrou,RPR...).
        But no, I see no interest for me to take part to this campaign.
        In fact all the problem is here : This campaign only goal is to increase the parties influence, not solve the citizens problems.

        • The goal of the campaign is to win the elections, and then the politics happen (or not ;-)

          Sorry but no, Call me an idealist but I thought it should be a moment when everybody would present/share/compare his Ideas to make the things better.

          Well, autarch, this is one place where I absolutely agree with you. Democracy fails in the current American election system, because Democracy (in America) is supposed to be where the people decide how the country should be governed. And that is not what happens.

          O

          • I don't know if that could help one way or another, but there's a law in France that guarantees that all candidates have equal access to televised speech. Such laws are hard to evaluate and put into practice, but overall I think it helps. Those rules are possible because the french legal system differentiates between free speech and free press, and puts the former above the latter. I'm not sure how that would map into the american approach to free speech, which is notoriously different.

            There are al

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            -- Robin Berjon [berjon.com]

        • First and foremost, I don't take this as a personal attack. This is a discussion site, if I didn't want people to voice their opinions I'd turn comments off. I hope you don't take anything personally either.

          Second, while I'm a member of the PS for pragmatic reasons (ie I want to be involved in politics, and it is the best option I could find after moving through a number of parties) I am clearly not representative of the main tendencies of the party -- I'm probably on the most leftist branch, and c

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          -- Robin Berjon [berjon.com]