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    by pudge (1) on 2005.04.06 13:08 (#39451) Homepage Journal
    My IRC reputation in the Perl-related channels has become tarnished lately

    It's not merely lately.

    I don't know exactly why

    Because you have crazy ideas and express them crazily.

    As to why you were banned, I can't say, but no one can explain sungo's actions. Not even sungo.
    • "Because you have crazy ideas and express them crazily."

      Well, regardless of the validity of this statement, I don't think expressing crazy ideas in a crazy manner, should bring irrational IRC bans. The only thing that warrants an IRC ban is IRC misbehaviour. And I never misbehaved.

      Is the Perl community such that rejects people who think differently than the rest, and express their different opinions? I happen to know I'm not the only one who agreed with what I expressed in my essays. That shouldn't warran
      • I don't think expressing crazy ideas in a crazy manner, should bring irrational IRC bans.

        I agree entirely. But you're talking about sungo here, so reason is irrelevant.

        Is the Perl community such that rejects people who think differently than the rest, and express their different opinions?

        If by "reject" you mean "ban," you're referring to the actions of one person, not the Perl community; as the question presumes a state which does not exist, no answer is possible, except for the perhaps unfulfilling
        • Well, first I apologize for generalizing to the Perl community. And then - regarding sungo - ok I understand now. But it doesn't explain how it propagated to other #perl's in other networks, just because sungo banned me (and noone knew about it).
          • You're ignoring the issues here, and focusing on sungo and IRC.

            Your real problem is that you don't listen to what people say, and are not interested in conversing with anyone. You're an output-only data stream.

            You disagree with the way some things are in Perl 5, so you start waving a flag about how you're going to fork Perl into a new language named after yourself.

            You come in and say "The Camel Book should be given away!" and people explain why that won't happen, and that's not good enough for you.

            --

            --
            xoa

      • Be careful with that "Perl community". It's not just IRC (or use.perl, or whatever). It's not as if we all agree on everything, or anything. Pudge, for instance, is a fascist republican gun-lover who likes the Red Sox, and I'm not. Still, he lets me post on use.perl.

        • Pudge, for instance, is a fascist republican gun-lover who likes the Red Sox, and I'm not.

          See, and I'm a fascist republican pacifist gun-lover and gun-hater who couldn't care less about the Red Sox.

          Still, he lets me post on use.perl.

          Sometimes I wonder if my outlook is the closest to pudge's, or the furthest away. :)

          --
          J. David works really hard, has a passion for writing good software, and knows many of the world's best Perl programmers
    • Crazy ideas are fine

      I've read some of shlomi fish's essays about why perl sucks so badly.

      No wonder few people welcome him. I doubt I'd be welcome at a meeting of pro-software patent laywers and MEP's right now. But I don't expect them to like or welcome me.

      Of course when I bitched about them it was based on informed opinion and what I have seen in practice and I got of my arse and did something useful (lobby my politicians join and contribute to ffii mailing list debates and correspondance with the UK

      --

      @JAPH = qw(Hacker Perl Another Just);
      print reverse @JAPH;

      • Well, I revised some of my original opinions (or at least the impressions they commonly left from the "Usability of the Perl World to Newcomers" essay in the year and some later conclusion [berlios.de]. As for the Perl 6 Critique - it was not directed at anyone personally, but rather at the Perl 6-related activity, which I predicted to accomplish little good. I realize I may have stepped on the nerves of some people, but this was my opinion and I still stand by it.

        If I have ever offended anyone unjustly (in regards

        • However, I think we are missing the point. What difference does it make what opinions I expressed as long as my IRC behaviour is perfectly acceptable, and I don't step on anyone nerves on the IRC?

          Because irc.perl.org/#perl is populated with the folks whose nerves you've already stepped on.

          There's a reason why autrijus put #perl6 on irc.freenode.org. They're a lot more forgiving over there.

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