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Hmm... (Score:2)
I connect to malicious web server (or hacked friendly one)
That web server sends me some javascript
That javascript sends a TRACE request to some site it knows I use
The TRACE request bounces back my cookies/credentials
The javascript thus has access to those credentials that it didn't know how to get at before
The malicious web server can then re-use these credentials in other attacks
It's an interesting attack vector. I like it. One more reason n
Re:Hmm... (Score:1)
#That javascript sends a TRACE request to some site it knows I use
My only quibble is that for this attack to be useful to the person who initiates it, the TRACE must be sent to a server that you have already authenticated against -- otherwise, TRACE will not return the authentication string. Practically speaking, then, this is an attack from a hacked friendly server (because a malicious server would be able to access your authentication information directly), and the TRAC
Re:Hmm... (Score:2)
My guess though is that this is really a bug in xmlHTTP (on both Mozilla and IE) because it really shouldn't send these credentials via TRACE, IMHO. And it's access to the credentials thats the issue.
Re:Hmm... (Score:1)
#credentials from will be cookie based logins
That may well be true. I am not aware, for instance, of any financial institutions that use HTTP Basic authentication. (Because, let's face it, transferring the username and password in cleartext look's pretty silly from our perspective today). However, existing XSS attacks allow you to access a user's cookie -- the XST attack is interesting because it gives you access to the authentication strin
Re:Hmm... (Score:2)
I strongly disagree. At the e
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#we'll rarely see this used in practise.
I agree with this part of your post. The more I think about this particular exploit, the less of a threat I think it represents. It's trivial to forbit TRACE requests if you run a mod_rewrite-enabled Apache, and you should not use HTTP Basic Authentication to secure anything important, for the same reason security-conscious organizations don't use telnet: passwords are sent in cleartext.
#I strongly disagree. At the end of the day the
#TRACE method is just a plain old echo. There's
#nothing inherently insecure about it. The security
#leak comes from the client end.
Let me make sure that I understand your argument: you believe that XMLHTTP should provide functionality to make a TRACE request against the web server and to listen for the server's response. (Remember that an HTTP 1.1 complaint web server will reply to an HTTP TRACE request by echoing the headers (authentication string and all) to the caller.) When the XMLHTTP client receives the response you believe that it should filter out the authentication string before returning the headers to the program (or function) that called XMLHTTP?
I disagree with this argument. Here are my reasons:
1. XMLHTTP doesn't know ahead of time which headers represent a security risk -- the actual security risk could come from several different headers: the authentication string, cookie header(s), or even custom headers that the particular application might set. The most secure client-side solution is to disable TRACE altogether, BUT, this is still not adequate for the following reason:
2. You are suggesting that the server should return the authentication string but simply trust the client not to display it. This provides wholly inadequate security -- the original XST white paper notes that the vulnerability has been exercised using both XMLHTTP on IE and XMLDOM on Mozilla. It also suggests that there are likely to be many other possible ways to exploit this vulnerability, including Java and Flash. Fixing the problem in the XMLHTTP client does not elimate the problem, it simply closes it in one client.
3. There are perfectly valid reasons that someone developing XMLHTTP applications might want to do a TRACE -- they may need to debug a problem in their application, and the problem may lie in the authentication string! The security-conscious developer needs to be able to enable TRACE on their development servers, but disable it on production servers.
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Somehow, we're talking past each other. Let me define a set of assumptions, because I think that will help us move past this.
XMLHTTP is analagous, in a sense, to LWP in Perl. It essentially lets you call a web browser from JavaScript (or VBScript, etc.). According to Microsoft [microsoft.com] , a "client computer can use the XMLHTTP object (MSXML2.XMLHTTP) to send an arbitrary HTTP request, [and] receive the response".
One of those arbitrary HTTP requests is an HTTP TRACE. According to the HTTP protocol [w3.org],
Re:Hmm... (Score:2)
If you tried this using (say, for example) LWP wrapped up as a COM object, so that it would be accessible via JavaScript (you can probably do this with the neat tools that ActiveState provide), you would have no vulnerability.
Why? Because xmlHttp has EXPLICIT access to the credentials that are internal to IE, and IE passes them to xmlHttp AUTOMATICALLY. No other HTTP library gets such priviledges.
Now do you understand why I think this is a bug in xmlHttp? - the very fa
Re:Hmm... (Score:1)
#and IE passes them to xmlHttp AUTOMATICALLY. No other HTTP library
#gets such priviledges.
I believe this [microsoft.com] is what you're referring to:
Internet Explorer and various other Windows components (the XMLHttp class of MSXML, for example) use WinInet for their underlying HTTP communications. If you were to write the WinInet code directly, you would have to deal with the authentication challenge programmatically. Internet Explorer and those
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I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree. The JavaScript method never sees the credentials until they have been echoed back by TRACE. If TRACE is turned off at the server, you will not be able to see the credentials using the XST vulnerability, even if no change is made to WinInet / XMLHTTP.
#Same issue on Mozilla too - it's only exposed via xmlHttp.
I would just note that according to the original white paper, th
Re:Hmm... (Score:2)
On this we agree. What I disagree with is where it should be fixed. XSS (and XST) vulnerabilities affect both the user and the server end. While I agree that sites should take action to prevent this, I al