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  • And if you are going to say something have the courage to put a name to your spite.

    I heckled him because he was wrong, so wrong that it wasn't possible for me not to. For all I know, this person is you. I wrote much of and keep the CPAN and search.cpan FAQs, I run the box, I keep it running, and we answer and address feedback as time and patience allow. When some guy starts bitching about how 'this page has no links' or 'this has no FAQ', etc. when that person hasn't sent email to said effect, he's lucky

    • Hmmm. Nice to know people actually read other people's journals.

      >if you are going to say something have the courage to put a name to your spite.

      Apologies. I was about 80% sure that it was you, but not 100%. It seemed that I would do a disservice by reprimanding the wrong person. Plus, it wasn't the name that mattered, it was the lack of respect shown by the behavior that seemed out of place.

      >I heckled him because he was wrong

      Well, I would have to disagree with you here. I thought his comments on the usability of CPAN were quite well thought-out. Everyone (with whom I have ever spoken) agrees that CPAN is a fantastic resource. (And kudos to those like yourself who maintain it.) But, I share Mr. Crawford's concern that things could be laid out in a more intuitive manner. (David Crawford, by the way, is the guy whose talk you interrupted.)

      >I felt badly but nearly all the people I
      >expressed my lament to said he had it coming
      >to him.

      Hmm. Interesting. Not my experience -- I spoke with several people about this (and overheard the comments of several people around me), and they unanimously thought that you were out of line.

      >the new version of the search engine that graham
      >has worked very hard on, with little or no thanks
      >or recognition, adresses much of his whining

      Two thoughts.
      (1) the authors of open source software are likely under-appreciated, on average. Given the importance of CPAN to the Perl community, its authors deserve a little love.
      (2) good to know that there is a new version out that will address these usability concerns. Almost makes you think that perhaps someone other than Mr. Crawford noticed that there were areas that could be improved....

      >If you want to get up and start trashing on
      >someone's work and are utterly wrong...I'll
      >heckle you too.

      You'll be happy to know that you have left me with little doubt on this point.
      • Well, I would have to disagree with you here. I thought his comments on the usability of CPAN were quite well thought-out. Everyone (with whom I have ever spoken) agrees that CPAN is a fantastic resource. (And kudos to those like yourself who maintain it.) But, I share Mr. Crawford's concern that things could be laid out in a more intuitive manner. (David Crawford, by the way, is the guy whose talk you interrupted.)

        I'm sorry, you appear to have missed the part where search.cpan is not CPAN. There are 3

        • >search.cpan is not CPAN

          My apologies for not acknowledging that in my earlier post. You are absolutely right, and that never crossed my mind until you mentioned it. So what?

          >However, just because some guy gets a microphone
          >is not a right to waste 300 peoples' time
          >heckle-free

          Here's the problem with that line of thinking -- just because you thought that the presentation was a waste of time, doesn't mean that I thought that the presentation was a waste of time. If you thought that you
        • > considering how few people actually thank those of us who have kept this resource online for the last 3 years ...

          Thank you, thank you, thank you.

          > search.cpan is not CPAN.

          From an outsider's perspective, the difference is not immediately obvious. For one example, if you hang around at perlmonks, most mentions of "look on CPAN" are accompanied by a link to search.cpan.org.