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  • But bush doesn't call things that are evil, evil at all unless its for nationalistic cheerleading and baying for vengence.

    The terrorists who shoot at isrealis, bomb uk shopping centres, blow up cars in spain and kidnap journalists all have their reasons. Their reasons may be misguided, ignorant and implausable but they are still reasons.

    Evil implies a passion, a wish to do something 'evil' for its own sake not for a reason or because of something else.

    everything has its cause, not to blame america or


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    • I don't want to be simplistic, but I'm not sure how you say poverty is a primary cause of terrorism. I understood people such as Hussein, UBL, and Arafat to be particularly well-funded. Guns ain't so cheap, if you can't afford food.

      • Hussein and UBL are well funded, but that doesn't mean those that actually do the work on the ground are well funded.

        Thats like saying all Americans are rich just because Bush own oil wells, when fireman, nurses and teachers are underpaid (as they are in the UK) and people can't afford education or healthcare or even sometimes a roof other their head.

        Many of the palestinian suicide bombers are in a life of poverty and repression - further made worse by isreal's policy of desteroying the houses of those


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        • It still sounds simplistic to me, but perhaps I'm still missing your point. It makes sense that front line recruits tend to be young and idealistic, perceiving that they have no money or power. I just find it hard to believe there's a strong causitive relationship between poverty and terrorism (or poverty and crime, which is probably my main objection), at least on an individual basis.

          Of the millions of Palestinians in Israel, how many are (or were) suicide bombers? That's an awfully low percentage.

          • As well as poverty, repression and powerlessness you need the person to a) be easily led b) be irrational and c) have the conviction and d) believe it is right.

            Much as in the fact that crime results from poverty, etc it is also key that there are other causes such as a lack of compassion, selfishness.

            Being poor adds excuses for those who think that they deserve what they don't have.

            poverty and repression and more often than not in the case of terrorsim vengance adds justifications to these actions as


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            • by chromatic (983) on 2002.09.13 11:39 (#12835) Homepage Journal
              Much as in the fact that crime results from poverty, etc...

              There's what I don't buy. (Most of the rest of your message makes sense, especially the justification bits.) If there's quite a bit of stuff covered in etc, maybe I'm focusing too much on the idea that poverty causes crime.

              I don't accept that, though, because crime knows no income level. There are poor people who will never commit a crime, and there are rich people plotting and executing crimes right at this minute.

              If you want to talk about "poverty of character", though, I'm right beside you.