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All the Perl that's Practical to Extract and Report

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  • A very well written article. But what has Python got to do with it? Yes, "Beautiful is better than ugly." but "Form follows function." and "A witty saying proves nothing." Perl has its own culture, its own community, its own egregor and its own spirit. Do we want to be Python? Do we want to be Ruby? I would like Perl to be Perl. If I wanted Perl tu be Python, I'd use Python.

    Also, there have been lots of proposals for changes, especially to the looks of various parts of the Perl infrastructure. But the probl

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    Ordinary morality is for ordinary people. -- Aleister Crowley
    • > Do we want to be Python? Do we want to be Ruby? I would like Perl to be Perl. If I wanted Perl tu be Python, I'd use Python.

      Yes. Yes we do.

      Perl has always been about taking the best ideas from other languages and borging them in.

      • And what are those ideas in this case?

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        Ordinary morality is for ordinary people. -- Aleister Crowley
        • In this particular case, "Beautiful is better than Ugly". :)

          • I'm not trying to be annoying here, I just don't see how that's anything Python specific. If you say "Python has put aesthetics as first priority, and so should we." then I'd have to disagree. If you just reference it for the truth of the saying, well, then it's pretty apparent that "Beautiful is better than ugly" and "less bugs are better than more bugs" and "flexible solutions are better than inflexible ones" or "consistency trumps chaos." :)

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            Ordinary morality is for ordinary people. -- Aleister Crowley
            • > I just don't see how that's anything Python specific.

              There isn't. They aren't the only ones that think it.

              > If you say "Python has put aesthetics as first priority, and so should we." then I'd have to disagree.

              I don't say that and neither to they.

              It's just the first one in the list, which doesn't prioritise the elements within the list. You've over-read.

              > If you just reference it for the truth of the saying, well, then it's pretty apparent that "Beautiful is better than ugly"

              If it was, we wouldn'

              • I didn't overread, that's why the "if" was there :)

                This sounds like you think people chose to make websites less appealing intentionally, and not as a side-effect of focus on function.

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                Ordinary morality is for ordinary people. -- Aleister Crowley
                • Some people say "Perl is dead". If I didn't know where to look, the Web sites I find would imply "Perl is dead". Appearance matters. I think that's what Adam's trying to say. I agree with him 100%.

                  No one is saying we should be Python. No one is saying that we got into this mess intentionally. No one is saying anything other than "our Web sites look amateurish and this has an impact on perception". We do have a perception problem and we need to address it.