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  • And ask the hawks, how does war solve the Iraq problem?
    • As a "hawk", I'll take this one.

      War appeared to be the best and only solution to the "Iraq problem" in 1991, when Iraq had forcibly occupied an oil rich neighbor.

      When Iraq was forcibly evicted from Kuwait, certain conditions were set at the time of the armistice. Iraq has not met those conditions and it appears that they will not except by force.

      I ask the doves, how are we to solve the Iraq problem short of war? By signing more oil leases with Saddam Hussein so that he can continue to starve and depriv

      • You didn't answer the question completely. Ok, so we bomb Iraq. We send in ground troops. Is the solution to obtaining a disarmed Iraq basically an occupying army until such time every square mile of the country is searched for banned weapons and those who would use them? How does war disarm Iraq?
        • I'm not so interested in disarmament for disarmaments sake. For example, I'm not in favor of making sure that China and Russia have no Weapons of Mass Destruction.

          I am concerned when Saddam Hussein has Weapons of Mass Destruction. The only reason he has them is to threaten his neighbors and the US, through potential terrorist allies.

          If we get regime change in Iraq, we go a long way toward making the world a safer place. I would assume that we would insist upon a Government in Iraq that would seriously renounce such weapons and continue to make certain that none remained or were developed within their borders. The fact that there is some possibility that some might exist in Iraq after the War is not a great concern to me as long as there was a serious, credible commitment to eliminate them.

          I note that you didn't answer my question, at all. How do we go about enforcing Iraq's commitments under the cease-fire agreement [fas.org]?

          Technically, we are still in a state of War with Iraq. A peace agreement has never been signed, just a cease fire. A cease fire under very specific demands to which Iraq has failed to submit. At some point, the International community should enforce its demands, don't you think? We shouldn't allow those who have commercial interests in Saddam Hussein's continued rule of Iraq to obstruct this.

          • I never said I had an answer on how to make sure that the commitments are enforced. The hawk argument, as I understand it, is that war is the only answer to enforcing these commitments. I am struggling to see how war can do this.

            Or I want to see both sides here. Doves when asked how to enforce disarmament don't have an answers, Hawks have the beginning of answer with "Invade Iraq" but don't follow through on how invading iraq will cause disarmament.

            I am very much on the very fence with this issue of whe

            • Also, I am curious to see the evidence that links Iraq to terrorism any more than any of its neighbors.

              You won't see any evidence because no such evidence exists :-)
              • Well, I am not sure about that. We have strong evidence linking Iraqi agents to terrorist groups, and we know that Iraq has funded suicide bombers, and we know that Iraq has had terrorist training camps in its borders. MORE than any of its neighbors? Maybe not, I don't know.
            • Disarmament will still not come easily, but yes, the basic idea is that the military will do it. More advanced surveillance equipment, proper interviews of scientists unafraid of their families being killed by Hussein, etc.

              And, perhaps more importantly, the coalition plans to foster a government that will look favorably on UN resolutions mandating disarmament. I have no idea what form that government will take. Bush gave an excellent speech tonight, and talked about democracy in Iraq, noting that no one