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All the Perl that's Practical to Extract and Report

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  • So lets stop this bumbling conversation and do what we do best.

    No. How's that for a clear-cut response? :)

    If you don't want to participate in understanding the perception issue, or if you think this has no value, or if you think you already know the answers, that's OK. I realize plenty of people have one (or more) of those opinions. You don't have to help if you don't want to, but please don't tell others not to try.

    • > If you don't want to participate in understanding the perception issue.

      Whether I want to participate or not is irrelevant. When Gabor started Padre he didn't say "I want to participate in making an great IDE". He simply wanted a great IDE, and he knew that to achieve that he needed to recruit people better than him at producing what he wanted.

      Go watch his talk. His attitude there is what has made him such a good project leader for Padre.

      http://yapc.tv/2008/ye/lt/lt2-07-gabor-padre/ [yapc.tv]

      What he is doing ther

      • OK, now I better understand what you're saying. However, what I'm saying is that we need information and we're the domain experts in the problems we're trying to solve. I also have said several times that we're not qualified to do the actual research. We're qualified to figure out our own goals and contribute expert knowledge on what we might need to make those goals happen. I thought I made that clear a few times, particularly when I wrote [perl.org]:

        I doubt many of us are experts in market research but maybe someone is and is willing to volunteer services? Maybe we can team up with another open-source group to facilitate this? Maybe we can find a university teaching marketing and propose an interesting research project and domain expertise? Do we have contacts for any of this?

        I've done enough research into this to know that it's unlikely that we can do this ourselves, but we certainly need to be involved in the process.

        You wrote:

        I believe the entire point of my post was that nobody in the conversation so far has the answers.

        I know that. I've made that clear, over and over again, that we don't know the answers and we don't even properly understand the questions. When people say "we just need to evangelize X" or "we need more Perl programmers", that's going entirely against what I'm trying to do. I don't want to make a wild guess. I want to:

        1. Clearly define a goal
        2. Understand what information we need to assist us in achieving that goal
        3. Find experts in gathering and interpreting that information
        4. Profit! (or not)

        It's obvious that I've not made this clear in my blog posts. I think I need to make another :/