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  • Pudge you don't know what you are talking about.
    Megret is a bona fide neo-nazi. His ideas are abject and should be fought relentlessly. And yes they make him a slimy bastard. And yes I hate him.
    These people do not participate in Democracy, they just spread hatred and madness.
    BTW there were anti-national front demonstrations every day for 2 weeks in every major city in France, more than a million people marched on May 1rst, and there were virtually no incidents, contrary to what happen a few years ago when n
    • It's quite true, I think, that we Americans literally cannot comprehend some of the racism of Europe's "far right." (Although our minority citizens probably have a better idea than white guys like me.) I made a post under davorg's journal entry about the BNP, asking for help in understanding because we just don't see that kind of attitude taken to that kind of extreme succeeding in politics over here. We have the attitudes, but people who express them are almost never politically successful (haven't been

      J. David works really hard, has a passion for writing good software, and knows many of the world's best Perl programmers
      • I've had your comments on the BNP open in another window for a little while, I'll answer there when I get more time.

        But to give a first idea, FN (Le Pen) and MNR (Mégret) ideologists can be roughly categorized in two sections, both of which are racists.

        One section is for genocide. It comprises very few intellectuals, mostly old nazis or collaborators, or some people that were involved in dirty operations in Algeria.

        The other section can be called racialist. What they believe is that races are unequal (europeans are of course superior to the others, except in certain unimportant areas), and that blending them weakens them. They do not think that genocide is advisable, but forbidding cross-racial breeding and keeping everyone "at home" (for their idea of home) is.

        Note that the latter, while softer in discourse and comprising more intellectuals, are no less nazis. Most of their ideas revolve around the same myths which include the purity of our race decending from the Celts (and in particular of course, the Aryanic Celts). Their main difference with nazism is that they see genocide as a poor solution that can only be used if there's a genuine crisis, and also in that they've injected more neo-paganism into the ideology (Joan of Arc, Beltaine celebration, etc).

        In other words, and in all honesty, those two parties rate very high on the racist scale. If you want to find those that rate lower, you have what we'd call the far right (as opposed to the extreme right). Those are not nazis but still racist in a (large) variety of ways. A good example would be our new Minister of Security and Local Liberties (sounds like 1984?), Sarkozy.


        -- Robin Berjon []

        • You know those stories you read about the young person who lived the sheltered life and when he finally gets out can't believe how terrible the world is? That's how I feel right now. While we have people like that here in the States, they are almost universally vilified by the public. They would never succeed in politics. Half of the time when there's a charge of racism, it's because someone thinks we shouldn't have affirmative action programs with quotas to guarantee a certain percentage of minorities

          J. David works really hard, has a passion for writing good software, and knows many of the world's best Perl programmers
          • They were fought strongly (and efficiently) here too for a while. But when the MNR split itself out of the FN, we made the mistake of thinking that we'd won. Unfortunately, Le Pen is a political killer. Since 1998 he softened his public speeches, and pretended to be dead. He made a blitz presidential campaign and that's how he went so far.

            I've made the comment for the past few years or so that I don't believe in using the term "race." We're all humans made by God.

            Indeed, I very much doubt tha


            -- Robin Berjon []