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All the Perl that's Practical to Extract and Report

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  • CPAN Stats (Score:4, Informative)

    Its interesting to note that according to Ziggy, almost 50% of the brand new modules on CPAN were uploaded in 2003.

    First, we need to remember that there are lies, statistics and misinterpreted statistics.

    The numer I came up with is from analyzing the modules list. This includes some duplication (mod_perl is listed twice; there are three distributions of AcePerl at the top of the list) and some exclusions (perl-5.8.x.tar.gz is not listed, nor is Meta).

    Analyzing the modules list cannot show the grow

    • Do that computation again, but this time leave off the Acme namespace and use the ls-lR since the modules list is incomplete and still manually maintained.

      The conclusion is obvious, if not terribly important, but statistics lie too often, especially around those who like pie charts. CPAN is the only thing that is doing well in the perl world right now...you don't need a bar graph to tell anyone that.

      • Do that computation again, but this time leave off the Acme namespace

        That's a good idea. Thanks.

        use the ls-lR since the modules list is incomplete and still manually maintained.

        The ls-lR for either CPAN or BACKPAN doesn't suit my needs at the moment. Eventually, I want to do a more detailed analysis of BACKPAN, but not this week. Thanks for making that ls-lR.

        The conclusion is obvious, if not terribly important, but statistics lie too often, especially around those who like pie charts. CPAN

        • Parroting received wisdom ("CPAN is the only thing that is doing well in Perl", "You can do more with Perl because it is «more expressive»", "Perl 6 is the future of Perl") doesn't do anyone any favors.

          Parroting? You say that like we don't pay attention to CPAN. We do, but we don't publish statistics just because we run the joint. Publishing inaccurate and misleading statistics don't do anyone any favours most of all. Statistics are the tool with which people lie to others as well as to thems

          • by ziggy (25) on 2003.10.20 10:26 (#25004) Journal
            You say that like we don't pay attention to CPAN.
            No, I say that because a lot of pro-Perl scentiments are repeated endlessly without any critical analysis. If you actually read what I said, you'd see that I'm not singling out CPAN, nor am I not accusing CPAN's maintainers of not paying attention.

            I also never attributed any mystical properties to an uploaded distribution, so please don't say that I did. As I said before, the only thing an upload means is that someone created or updated a file on CPAN. Period. I never said that an analysis of the modules list or ls-lR could tell the whole story of Perl or CPAN on its own.

            But if you really want to have a fight about lies, damned lies and statistics, be my guest. I really don't care how many CPAN modules can fit on the head of a pin, or how many sociologists could make a career debating CPAN statistics.

            • No, but you were taking the conclusion and generating numbers rather casually to prop it up which isn't critical analysis either.

              And I wouldn't call my earlier conclusion positive or 'pro-perl' either.