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All the Perl that's Practical to Extract and Report

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  • Ruby and Python aren't discarding information. Perl is adding information, but only when it thinks it should be added. After all, if 5/2 returns 2.5, why doesn't 4/2 return 2.0? Or so one could argue.

    It boils down to a design decision. Guido and Matz decided that if you want integer division, you get integer division. Larry took a DWIM approach.

    As a guy who doesn't care one way or the other really, I think Perl's approach is better for simple cases, and worse as you get into more complex operations.

    • Ruby and Python aren't discarding information. Perl is adding information, but only when it thinks it should be added. After all, if 5/2 returns 2.5, why doesn't 4/2 return 2.0? Or so one could argue. One would be making a ridiculous argument. "2" does not mean "2 and maybe some fractional part." It means "2, exactly." "2.0" does not add information, unless your language has some sense of significant figures, which was not at issue here.

      It boils down to a design decision. Guido and Matz decided that if you want integer division, you get integer division. Larry took a DWIM approach.

      You're begging the question! Yes, they made this decision. Why?

      As a guy who doesn't care one way or the other really, I think Perl's approach is better for simple cases, and worse as you get into more complex operations. Obviously there are times when you don't want that behavior, which is why Perl offers the Integer() function (which I do see from time to time).

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      rjbs
      • You must not use it very often, or you'd know that it is "int" and not "Integer". Perhaps that's a bit of an indicator as to which division is used more often.
        You're right. I don't use it very often, because I don't use Perl very often any more, though I still maintain some old Perl code, and occasionally translate Perl modules into Ruby modules.

        This is not a good argument. It's like saying that there's no reason that "2 + 3" should not be written as "integer_of_val(2) {plus_integer} integer_of_val(3)". One of them is more obnoxious , time consuming, and prone to introduce error, even if they are equivalent.
        I find your analogy flawed. My point is simply that the default behavior you want may not always be what Perl provides. It may work to your benefit. It may not.

        I guess I'm asking what Perl's philosophy is on this issue. Is it merely trying to be useful vs correct? Or does Larry view the current behavior as correct? I'm pretty sure Matz has discussed this issue directly before, but I can't find a link atm. I suspect it has more to do with internals than philsophy. I suspect the opposite is true in Guido's case.

        Ha! You're kidding, right? Now any other module that you've loaded is going to get your modified division, and anyone else who is relying on int/int=int will be screwed.
        Hey, I didn't say it was a wise, just possible. :)

        Oh, and one thing I forgot to mention:

        5.quo 2 => 2.5
        :-D