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• Thank You (Score:1)

  by perigrin (3495) <chrisNO@SPAMprather.org> on 2007.11.04 15:07 (#58812) Homepage Journal

  When I wrote Object::Tiny, I didn’t bother to write a comparison to Moose because I saw them as being in a completely different ballpark.

  One is a fully featured MOP implementation with all the goodies of the Perl 6 object model… and the other makes trivial accessors to save typing.

  I saw it as more of a compliment, because obviously we’re comparing apples and oranges here.

  So then Moose::Tiny shows and I of course assume it’s a joke by some random person unrelated to Moose itself.

  Well I’m not unrelated, I’ve worked on lots of pieces in the Moose world. But your assumption was right, it was a joke. Acme::* would have ruined that joke…

  A little annoyed that they are taking some liberties with the ::Tiny suffix, I write a review suggesting Acme::Moose::Tiny would be a better name.

  Well no more annoying that finding lots of ::Tiny stuff lying about in people’s packages that is purporting to be a smaller/faster/better solution to whatever problem they’re solving. Part of the joke is that Moose as a full MOP would loose a ton by trying to reduce it to the 80/20 rule that ::Tiny tries for. (That said mad props to sukiria for doing exactly that with Coat.).

  Much to my surprise, Moose supremo Steven Little turns up in defense of Moose::Tiny suggesting it is a “Hilarious social commentary on the absurd concept of second level namespace ownership”.

  On the one hand, I don’t see a problem with “ownership” (in a sense) of a suffix… there’s no difference in the level of protection available. I could easily walk all over DBI:: and there’s nothing in PAUSE to stop me.

  You’re a smart guy, I’m sure you could get away with murder too … but that doesn’t make it right.

  BUT, if the Moose people do indeed feel that they want to be included in a comparison, well fair enough.

  So, how does Moose::Tiny compare to Object::Tiny?

  [snip]

  Thank you, I will release a 0.02 release with the updated POD, and be sure to give you the proper credit. More patches welcome via RT or the standard Moose patching process.

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  • Re: (Score:1)

    by perigrin (3495)

    lying about in people’s packages

    Sorry I meant "Namespaces" not packages.
  • Re: (Score:1)

    by Alias (5735)

    Lying about in people's namespaces?
    
    Name one.
    
    So far I'm not aware of any modules that are doing that...
    
    Nobody "owns" Config:: or XML:: or even YAML::
    
    Occasionally people specifically ask that a namespace be kept clear for the exclusive benefit of that project, like DBI or PPI or (I assume) Moose.
    
    And neither I or any other ::Tiny authors have violated that (although I dearly want to release DateTime::Tiny).
    
    If Moose:: has indeed asked to remain clear, you are the only person that has violated a namespace in the
    • Re: (Score:1)

      by perigrin (3495)

      Well ... except first I didn't release until I had cleared it with Stevan first. Actually I asked him if I should release at all, and then again if he felt that it belonged in the Moose namespace. If he'd said no, or was unsure at any point I wouldn't have released ... MooseX::Tiny is no better than Acme::Moose::Tiny for parody [google.com] purposes.

      Second I think a case can be (and has [perl.org] been [perl.org]) made that there is disagreement on the merits of the Tiny naming scheme. Though in those cases I suppose it isn't the To be ho