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  • It is a shame that the Law *is* being broken. I read the Oregon statute and the courts are going to say the man->woman inference is implied. Unfortunately, I think this whole thing is going to piss off the majority of Americans and it will end up as an amendment to the constitution. I hope it doesn't end up like that but I think because people have taken the law into their own hands its going to force it to go that way.
    • Agreed.

      These people have no respect for the rule of law. Civil disobedience has it's place, but only when every other mechanism has been tried. This issue is currently being decided in the courts and legislatures nationwide and now is not the time to disregard the law.

      I don't seriously believe that many of these people even want to be married. I think they just want to participate in destroying a traditional institution that they have been excluded from for reasons of revenge.

      That being said, I do bel

      • Civil disobedience has place when civil rights are being ignored by a governement. I'm not well placed to judge whether it's the case currently in the US, but I'd like to point out that the black people who fought for their most basic civil rights decades ago faced exactly this kind of discriminatory remarks.
        • That's why I said that civil disobedience has it's place. Clearly, the black people's rights were not being addressed by the government at that time and thus, they had the right to take matters into their hands.

          I don't see how my remarks are in any way discriminatory, however.

          • You wrote: I don't see how my remarks are in any way discriminatory, however.

            From dictionary.com [reference.com], the difinition of discriminatory: Marked by or showing prejudice; biased. Head over there and take a look at their definitions of prejudice [reference.com], if you must.

            Give that definition, let's take a look at something you previously wrote:

            I don't seriously believe that many of these people even want to be married. I think they just want to participate in destroying a traditional institution that they have been ex

              • From dictionary.com [reference.com], the difinition of discriminatory: Marked by or showing prejudice; biased. Head over there and take a look at their definitions of prejudice [reference.com], if you must.

                Give that definition, let's take a look at something you previously wrote:

              I don't seriously believe that many of these people even want to be married. I think they just want to participate in destroying a traditional institution that they have been excluded from for reasons of revenge.


              • To broadly impugn the motivations of same-
              • In this article [family.org] a paper by Gay Activists is described [...]
                Would it be your position that none of the gay couples who are now marrying actually have as an agenda to destroy traditional institutions like marriage?
                Citing a Focus on the Family web page, and then challenging someone to prove a negative? That's argumentation barely worthy of a Jack Chick tract. [epsilonminus.com]
                  • Citing a Focus on the Family web page, and then challenging someone to prove a negative? That's argumentation barely worthy of a Jack Chick tract.

                  Well, at least I haven't stooped to guilt by association and attacking a source without addressing the point being made. That would be really low.

                  However, I wasn't challenging him to prove a negative. I was asking him if he believes a positive statement that applies to all of the gays who get married.

                  You might assume that his answer might have begged me to

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