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  • Would chromatic and/or Mr. Turner care to comment about that?

    On a random website I just happened to read during non-work hours, on behalf of someone who apparently hasn't read Perl.com today? No, thank you.

    • Hi! Thanks for your reply.

      Hmmm.... interesting: It seems that this Perl.com feed, which I was using to keep track of what's new in Perl.com [oreillynet.com] hasn't been updated in a while, despite several new additions to the site. Please fix it (I'll also email the webmaster.)

      As for reading Perl.com - I expect such sites as Perl.com to announce their new features in their web feeds, and have no time or patience to visit half-a-gazillion sites everday to see what's new. That's what RSS/Atom are for. Obviously, the Perl

      • I wrote it here as a last resort. And I don't think it's any "random website", but that's a matter of taste.

        I have no time or patience to visit half-a-gazillion sites every day in the remote possibility that I might stumble across feedback from people who know how to send a message to the webmaster at perl dot com. Complaining in public is hardly a last resort when you didn't even try to ask anyone in private.

        I'm sure you feel perfectly justified in your own mind about the efficacy of complaining in publ

        • Hey, if I had received replies to the two emails I sent (over a month ago), I would not have posted it here. But I didn't. I figured out an email to the webmaster would similarly be lost in confusion, if not even more so.

          I admit I don't know your job constraints, but if you've listened to the Perlcast interview with Tom Limoncelli about his "Time Management for Sys Admins" book [perlcast.com] (published by O'Reilly, who is your employer and the parent company of the O'ReillyNet sites), or read the transcription which I

          • I apologise that I had to make this complaint public, but it seemed to me that I did not have any otherwise choice. I don't know why you didn't promptly reply to my emails with the article suggestions, but it was irresponsible on your part. You reap what you saw.

            Shlomi, this attitude is why you get banned from so many Perl communities. You don't read or listen (or perhaps you don't comprehend), and you come across as a stubborn, arrogant twit who loves to lecture people about how very simple the world wo

            • Hi chromatic!

              Thanks for your comment. See below for my response.

              Shlomi, this attitude is why you get banned from so many Perl communities

              You are right that I tend to get banned a lot. However, I'm not sure about the exact reasons why I am, or if they are what you describe. Can you please elaborate and exemplify these problems?

              You don't read or listen (or perhaps you don't comprehend), and you come across as a stubborn, arrogant twit who loves to lecture people about how very simple the world would

              • You are right in the sense that I may like to tell people how to improve.

                Since you asked about how you can improve, I'll point out that what you describe is called "unsolicited advice," and it's rude. Here's a fabulous few paragraphs from Judith Martin on the topic (also at http://xoa.petdance.com/Unsolicited_advice [petdance.com])

                It is rude to call people's attention to their shortcomings, no matter how much you have their welfare at heart. It is rude to assume that anyone other than minors in your custody is less capable than you are of making minor and major decisions about how to live. No, it doesn't count if you prepare the way by attempting to convince people who don't realize it just how badly in need of help they are. In the etiquette lexicon, the statements necessary to break down a person's self-satisfaction to the point where he admits that he was in worse shape than he had fondly imagined are still called "insults."

                There have been times you've IMed me and immediately corrected me on how I responded to you. How do you suspect that affects my desire to talk to you?

                Now consider that in the large, where you presume to correct people, in public, who don't do what you want. What do you suppose the effect will be?

                If there's anything I'd like to suggest, it would be asking yourself "What do I expect the result of this communication to be?" before making that communication. Not "what would I do if I got this email?" but rather "what do I expect the recipient to do with it?"

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