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  • by vsergu (505) on 2002.12.06 13:40 (#15228) Journal

    1. One argument for smokefree restaurants is that restaurants are workplaces, and employees should not be exposed to hazardous materials in the air at work. If a workplace has asbestos in the air, is it okay for the employer not to do anything about it, simply because it's private property? After all, in the ideal libertarian world the workers can always choose to work somewhere else.

    2. Aren't you the one with the sig equating abortion to killing babies? That seems pretty black-or-white and not conducive to reasonable discussion. Are you really all that different from these other people with strongly held beliefs?

    • 1. Yep; I agree with that ideal libertarian world. If they don't like smoking they can choose to work somewhere else. But of course in practice it's not all that black and white... ;)

      2. Mostly I'd just like to get legitimacy for the viewpoint that abortion is or might be killing babies. Right now we're more concerned with protecting a mother's right to believe the baby in her womb is not a baby than we are with any rights the baby might have on the off chance that it's a person. We can't "force belief

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      • Mostly I'd just like to get legitimacy for the viewpoint that abortion is or might be killing babies. Right now we're more concerned with protecting a mother's right to believe the baby in her womb is not a baby than we are with any rights the baby might have on the off chance that it's a person.

        That's fine, but understand that abortion is intertwined in a rat's nest of issues: religion, medicine, crime (incest / rape), family planning, eugenics, the constitution/law, and politics.

        Understand that the

        • Understand that there will never be a "simple resolution" to the abortion issue.

          I disagree. I see treating a fetus as a person with full rights as a simple solution. Sure, there are some complications, most especially the point at which it becomes a fetus with full rights. But the solution is simple, even if there are complications surrounding it and its implementation.

          The Christian POV is that in the case of a pregnancy where both the mother and child are in danger, it is your obligation to try and
      • 1. Yep; I agree with that ideal libertarian world. If they don't like smoking they can choose to work somewhere else. But of course in practice it's not all that black and white... ;)

        Indeed, it is not that black and white -- after all, there are a limited number of places to find employment, and the owners of those establishments can agree to *all* allow smoking. The cost of starting up a bar is substantial, and beyond the reach of most people who work at one.

        The "ideal libertarian world" will never app