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  • Uri can certainly defend himself, but I thought I ought to comment on the parts of brian's message that relate to me too:

    Also, I wouldn't value a week of Damian's classes at $3000. I know what his prices, and it's not $90,000 per week. You're fibbing a bit there to make the students think they are getting more than they are.
    My corporate prices certainly aren't $90k a week (though I'm always open to offers! ;-)

    But Uri's statement is nevertheless still pretty accurate. Although these classes are a new idea, they're definitely not like my corporate offerings, since my corporate rates exclude venue, organisational, and logistical costs (which corporate clients still have to pay, but not on a per-student basis).

    In terms of cost structure, these classes are much more like the public classes I have run in various cities (including Boston back in 2001 and 2002). For those Boston classes, the prices were $500 per student per day. Allowing for the actual inflation rate over the last six years, today that'd be equivalent to about $585 per day. If we also add in the depreciation of the USD over that period (about 40% against the Australian dollar!), then $3000 for five days is probably quite a reasonable estimate of what they'd have to pay...if they had to pay. Which, of course, they don't...

    Basically, they get a free week of class
    Yep, precisely.

    ...but have to pay for their own travel expenses...
    Though, to be fair, Uri has negotiated block rates for (comparatively) cheap accommodation, is coordinating room-sharing for the participants so as to halve even that cost, and is also trying to find crash space amongst local mongers for those for whom the expenses are an issue. The venue is right on the 'T' too, so if they're local to Boston (the most likely case) then their travel expenses are going to be about $15 for a weekly transit pass.

    ...so you can get a big recruiters fee by placing them in a job.
    A fee that the students don't pay either, as far as I know.

    It doesn't sound to me like they get such a good deal. But then, that's what recruiters do.
    Hmmmmm. I don't have a problem with recruiters making money if they provide a useful service (which is why I'm involved in this particular exercise). More relevantly, I'm not sure I see how Uri making money on this venture diminishes the value to the students of getting a week of my training for free.

    If there really is an ethical issue here, I'd genuinely like to understand it. Because I'm certainly don't want to exploit anyone...I just want to help provide an opportunity for everyone (myself included) to benefit.

    Damian

    • Hi Damian!

      If there really is an ethical issue here, I'd genuinely like to understand it. Because I'm certainly don't want to exploit anyone...I just want to help provide an opportunity for everyone (myself included) to benefit.

      My only problem is that in this announcement, Uri doesn't mention the fact that by participating as a student, you are agreeing to a six-month obligation. That should be stated up front IMO. It is not a problem with you or the "College," just this announcement of it. The important thing is that everyone who participates knows what they are getting into, and I imagine this obligation would be made clear before they agree to participate, of course, but still, I think such things should be stated

      • Thanks, Pudge. I do see your (and Brian's) point in that regard, and I appreciate you both taking the time to help me understand it.

        On the other hand, I certainly don't think we should infer any malice on Uri's part. None of the other eight conditions/requirements for being a student are mentioned either, though all nine are plainly stated on the student information page [perlhunter.com], to which the announcement directly links.

        You're also correct in assuming that they can't possibly enrol without having the condition

        • I certainly don't think we should infer any malice on Uri's part
          I meant to imply none. Good luck with the "College."