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All the Perl that's Practical to Extract and Report

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  • We can all certainly agree on one thing -- the idea of certifying Perl programmers is surely guaranteed to elicit some lively discussion!

    But the pattern of responses is always the same -- a few well-known JAPHs coming out against it, and the rank-and-file community members taking neutral, or strongly favorable positions, because they don't want to convert to Java/C++ etc. just to gain employment, and certification might help there (see my TPJ article [teachmeperl.com]). As I've argued in that article, and in postings on the

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    Dr. Tim Maher
    CEO, Consultix
    Perl and UNIX Training [teachmeperl.com]
    • I read your article.

      There is no need to devolve this debate into personal attacks. Let's stick to arguing the mertis.

      You still ignore my most important concern, and the one I have expressed for years---who is going to take on the legal laibility. No one has ever answered that. Cisco, Sun, and Microsoft know how to answer that question because they have legal departments and deep pockets.
      • You still ignore my most important concern, and the one I have expressed for years---who is going to take on the legal laibility.

        Is there such a thing as a legal liability at all? In my understanding, no certificate ever guaranteed infallibility. And that should be easy to settle in a sort of disclaimer.

        And since you mentioned them: Has anyone ever seen one of the certificates as offered by Cisco, Sun or Microsoft? I haven't, but I am pretty sure that they refuse to take on any legal liability.
        • Remember that a woman sued McDonald's because they served her hot coffee, and she won.

          Lawsuits do not have to have merit to destroy you. They do not bother deep pockets because to them the risk is minimal. To someone like TPJ, it could be the last thing they ever do, however. I do not see it worth the risk.
          • How about finding a lawsuit for certification in our field? I can pull a thousand bogus lawsuits out of the air that have no merit but I have yet to see anyone produce one based on a certification firm being sued because the "certificatee" turned out to be incompetant.

            Your argument has no merit.

            • I can pull a thousand bogus lawsuits out of the air that have no merit but I have yet to see anyone produce one based on a certification firm being sued because the "certificatee" turned out to be incompetant.

              Your argument has no merit.

              I have only ever seen white swans.
              Therefore all swans are white.

              Your argument has no merit ;)

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              --simonflk
              • No my argument is to show me where that has happened in the industry. Certainly there have been many such instances in the certification processes that are currently in place where a person just studies and passes and gets hired. Have lawsuits resulted back to the certifier?