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All the Perl that's Practical to Extract and Report

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  • I took their Perl test some time (years) ago as a hoot. When I suddenly became a "certified Perl programmer" I thought.. "Now what?". Do I ask for a raise? Do I now look for a new job as Director Of Perl?

    I've never been asked if I was a "certified" Perl programmer while job hunting. I've never been asked to take a BrainBench test, or if I had taken it. I have also never asked an interviewee if they have taken this test. I have, however, used a print out of The Seven Stages of a Perl Programmer [jwenet.net] (tchrist, cri
    • We've already had some discussion of whether Larry would have to endorse a certification suite to make it work; see this page [perlocity.org]; patches welcome!
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      Dr. Tim Maher
      CEO, Consultix
      Perl and UNIX Training [teachmeperl.com]
      • That's not really a discussion, that's you writing something :-) Larry doesn't _need_ to endorse it, but someone does, in my opinion. If there isn't an endorsing body, then anyone can make a "certification" test and nobody will know what the validity of those tests are.

        What would stop me from making the "Meltzer Super Duper Perl Certification Exam", charging people $20 to take it, giving them a certificate with a gold star and my signature? Nothing. And, what would make that exam less valid than BrainBench
        • "The proof of the pudding is in the tasting."

          If your test really helped hiring managers separate the JAPHly wheat from the chaff, word would get around, and your test would acquire a favorable reputation, and possibly become a de facto standard. Which is as it should be; the users of a certification service should determine the success or failure of a certification suite.

          Consider the chain called "Seattle's Best Frozen Yogurt" -- their name sounds very impressive, but I'll take Ben & Jerry's produ

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          Dr. Tim Maher
          CEO, Consultix
          Perl and UNIX Training [teachmeperl.com]
          • Let me say I haven't read through your whole site. I know I did after we met when I hosted YAPC. I'll need to see if my ideas mesh with yours.. feel free to point me to places in your wiki where I may need to read.

            First real question is if certs are needed at all. Who asks for a Perl certification out of a perspective employee? I'm also not really sure what a cert would do. I may have missed it, but what I really see from your effort is similar to BrainBench. You take a test, you pass, you get a certifica

            • by yumpy (1032) on 2005.08.29 18:47 (#42958) Homepage
              Many of your comments are along the lines of FAOs ("Frequently Asserted Objections") to certifications in general, which I've addressed in my TPJ article entitled Is it Time for Perl Certification? [perlcertification.org], and others are addressed in discussions on the Perl Certification Wiki [perlocity.org].

              Regarding a few of the other points you raised:

              • Certification needn't be a monolithic, PASS/FAIL thingy; it can be multi-level, with job-specific and diagnostic elements too
              • a Certification Test needn't be a 100% multiple-guess trivia test; it could also state program specifications and ask for on-line source code input, for "grading" by Perl itself, and human reviewers.
              • it's important to ensure that any career-influencing test be psychometrically reliable and valid, and logistically secure--the current on-line tests don't meet these standards--ours could!
              • regarding the link you want to draw between Training and Certification, that sounds like a way to bolster the prestige of a test having dubious validity by pairing it with actual exposure to the subject matter. A psychometrically valid test wouldn't need this kind of crutch, because we wouldn't care where the testee picked up the knowledge, so long as we know he really has it
              • your idea of job-specific tests has come up before, and has a lot going for it. Somewhere down the line, I'd like to see that happen, but first, we'd probably have to restrict our focus to testing the basics
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              Dr. Tim Maher
              CEO, Consultix
              Perl and UNIX Training [teachmeperl.com]