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• So? (Score:1)

  by sigzero (5768)

  What exactly about that statement makes him an idiot?
  • Re:So? (Score:1)

    by q (6122)

    Apologies. I quoted a section which spelled it out to me, because I listed to the radio show. I need to be more aware of trying to make a point that makes sense. Here is the quote that makes him an idiot. DOBSON: You know, the thing that means so much to me here on this this issue [embryonic stem cell research] is that people talk about the potential for good that can come from destroying these little embryos and how we might be able to solve the problem of juvenile diabetes. There's no indication yet tha
    • Re:So? (Score:2)

      by pudge (1)

      I recently wrote this in e-mail to a friend who brought this up in reference to an OpinionJournal article [opinionjournal.com]. I wrote:

      The analogy between embryonic stem cell research and Nazi experiments is perfectly apt. The author is incorrect.

      Now, he is right to note that there are significant differences: first, in the effects, and second, in the motives. But the bottom line is that both treat human life as a commodity, to be violently altered or destroyed for the benefit of others.
      
      As to the effects, it must be noted t
      • Re:So? (Score:1)

        by q (6122)

        The analogy between embryonic stem cell research and Nazi experiments is perfectly apt. The author is incorrect.
        Now, he is right to note that there are significant differences: first, in the effects, and second, in the motives. But the bottom line is that both treat human life as a commodity, to be violently altered or destroyed for the benefit of others.

        I think that really depends on when you beileve human life starts. What does human life mean? Are stem cells human life?

        If stems cells are human life,
        • Re:So? (Score:2)

          by pudge (1) on 2005.08.18 1:21 (#42717) Homepage Journal

          If stems cells are human life, then it's an apt comparison in that respect.
          
          And without getting into why, yes, that is the belief. So within that belief -- which I took as a given, given the speaker -- it is an apt comparison. Obviously, many people don't share that belief, though many people do.
          
          I contend that stem cells can be taken without a loss of life. If you use something to which there was no purpose previously, that would otherwise waste away for the benefit of others, where is the harm? And does that make it a loss of life?
          
          I don't want to get that deeply into this discussion right now.
          
          How can we ignore the intent in using stem cells and yet focus on the intent of America killing Iraqis?
          
          I didn't say we should ignore the intent. I said, quite specifically, that we should not, when I said, "destroying embryos is precisely the intent of those who favor today's embryonic stem cell research."
          
          As to the matter of what Bush is in favor of, unless he has had an update to his opinions, what I know of him is this. No further stem cells may be extricated from embryos, even those being discarded by fertility clinics. That is not the same thing that you said.
          
          A few years ago Bush became the first President to approve federal spending on embryonic stem cell research. His policy was, and remains, that only existing embryonic stem cell lines (taken from embryos that have already been destroyed, which is what I referenced) are eligible for funding.
          

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          • Re:So? (Score:1)

            by q (6122)

            A few years ago Bush became the first President to approve federal spending on embryonic stem cell research. His policy was, and remains, that only existing embryonic stem cell lines (taken from embryos that have already been destroyed, which is what I referenced) are eligible for funding

            I misunderstood that as meaning ones that were already destroyed, i.e. as long as the embryo was not going to be used, and was already destroyed in that respect, it would be okay to use.