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  • By accident (due to one of those notorious automatic logouts -- does Slashdot have the same problem?) I happened to see the use.perl.org frontpage that unsuspecting visitors see. It's damn ugly: mostly links to "what's new on CPAN" for every single day for the last, what, 8 days? And then just one tiny framed text.

    I do like the looks of the site when I am logged in. Then I do get several of those framed articles, an no link to CPAN. I think the site is not ugly for guests on purpose, but by negligence.

    Grant

    • No matter what we here "suggest", most of the first time Perl users go the the page that comes up first when searching perl in google. That page is www.perl.org .. as it should be.

      However, the problem is that perl.org is almost as ugly as this site.

      I really would like help with that situation, but as with most of the current Perl community, good interface-, visual- and/or content-design is not my strength. Perl Foundation should put a bigger effort in to this.

      As I've said in another posting, Perl has

      • And no, it's not much better than use.perl.org.

        As far as Perl Foundation doing something about this: Which of the volunteers on this page [perlfoundation.org] are you suggesting should do this something?

        • Which of the volunteers on this page [perlfoundation.org] are you suggesting should do this something?

          I will volunteer my self, but my first task is to understand how TPF makes this kind of decisions and what kind of commitment it is possible to get. What do you suggest?

          I will also donate some money to TPF, if there is a way to earmark it for this purpose. And it really can not be "just a facelift" for perl.org -- there's also a lot of content work (writing) to be done, where every perl blogger, book author and other pro writers could participate.

          This site, as the semi-official (?) discussion platform of

          • This is the difficulty with the JFDI culture. The people who have done the work are not required to continue doing it or to maintain the sites. This means many of us have no idea who is in charge of any given site or what it would take to make some changes to it (do you need to hack on slash, combust, etc. Can you get svn access or is it git now, and how much effort does it take to get one change onto the site?) For any small change, the effort of figuring out who to send it to and getting it to happen

            • This means many of us have no idea who is in charge of any given site or what it would take to make some changes to it (do you need to hack on slash, combust, etc.

              Yes. I think JFDI can not apply here. I (or preferably anybody else from the community with some visual design talent) could easily prepare a new layout for this site, for example (yes, there is one proposal in this discussion thread also), but I don't see it's possible to just prepare a complete new marketing strategy for *.perl.org and send it to a webmaster (or volunteer him/her self to make the changes).

              This also makes it difficult to put monetary donations to work, and in general we need a widespread amount of frequent, small changes (the sort of thing where it is efficient to have one person able to do+manage it all, which becomes a full time position.) Currently, the Perl Foundation doesn't have any paid positions, but perhaps it should.

              What I'm thinking about is a complete "rewrite" of the public appearance of TPF and the community as a whole. Most visible part is to modernize the *.perl.org sites, starting from the visual appearance but also content and everything has to be organized better. I think this is preparing for the Perl 6, since we need the audience and should start building the premises for that. Looking from this perspective, couldn't some part of the Ian Hague grants used for this purpose?

              I'm also starting to realize that discussing this on the comments of some journal entries is not the best way. Discussion gets very easily distracted and it's very hard to follow it. Is there a mailinglist or another forum that should be used? I see that there's a lot a interest for this makeover to happen, but people get very easily lost..