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• Re: Those with Loaded Mouths, and Those Who Code (Score:1)

  by murr (2201)

  If my economics are wrong, show me. [...] If you know the secret to software development, show me.

  Let's try to do just that.

  Here's zero dollars and the source code. Fix everything you can about Perl 5. See you in two years.

  I disagree with your economics. While the sums spent on Perl 6 development were certainly not vast, it may actually be one of the better funded open source language developments out there, certainly compared with Perl 5 during the late 20th century period in which I followed it c
  • Re: (Score:1)

    by chromatic (983)

    Are Ruby, Python, Lua, and, for that matter, Perl 5.x, really better funded than Perl 6?

    Charles Nutter, Ola Bini, John Lam, and at least one more person I'm forgetting at the moment are all funded Ruby implementation developers.

    Guido van Rossum is a funded Python developer. I don't know whether to count Alex Martelli. Jim Hugunin is a funded Python developer.

    I don't know who's funded to work on Lua. I thought it was a research project from Roberto's university, but I haven't confirmed that just n
    • Re: Those with Loaded Mouths, and Those Who Code (Score:1)

      by murr (2201) on 2008.05.08 12:43 (#62747)

      Charles Nutter, Ola Bini, John Lam, and at least one more person I'm forgetting at the moment are all funded Ruby implementation developers.

      My impression is that Nutter & Bini are on JRuby and Lam is on IronRuby, so I'm not sure they should count for funding of the mainline interpreter.

      Guido van Rossum is a funded Python developer.

      Full time? My impression was that he had other duties at Google as well.

      To find funded Perl 5 developers, you have to go to ActiveState

      Who, I believe, tend to fund development as a side effect of fixing bugs for which they have customer support contracts (which again is open source economics: projects that ship and are useful can generate some revenue to move forward said projects).

      Perl 6 has Jonathan, one day a week for at least three months, Patrick for three months, and a double-handful of milestone payments for which I don't even want to do the dollars-per-hour math.

      ... plus, judging from the recent Perl 6 design minutes, some Google Summer of Code and ASF grants. I'm not arguing that this adds up to huge amounts, but if you look at it over the almost 8 years of Perl 6 development, rather than on a monthly cash-flow basis, it is not all that insubstantial either.

      I invite you to stop using all free or open source software with a version number less than 1.0, even if it meets all of your needs

      That would affect, roughly, OpenSSL and apt.

      (as if version numbers had any connection with reality).

      There are, of course, exceptions, but in general, 0.x means "Not ready for prime time". Are you arguing that Parrot or Perl 6 ARE ready for prime time?

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      • Re: (Score:1)

        by chromatic (983)

        ... if you look at it over the almost 8 years of Perl 6 development, rather than on a monthly cash-flow basis, it is not all that insubstantial either.

        Let's take the $150,000 paid to Larry, Damian, and Dan, the $70,000 from NL.net, the $10,000 from the Mozilla Foundation, $3000 from Vienna.pm, and $20,000 from various Summer of Code projects. That's $255,000 over eight years for a language design, at least one modern virtual machine, and one implementation. That's just under $32,000 per year.

        I invit
        • Re: (Score:1)

          by murr (2201)

          ... if you look at it over the almost 8 years of Perl 6 development, rather than on a monthly cash-flow basis, it is not all that insubstantial either.

          Let's take the $150,000 paid to Larry, Damian, and Dan, the $70,000 from NL.net, the $10,000 from the Mozilla Foundation, $3000 from Vienna.pm, and $20,000 from various Summer of Code projects. That's $255,000 over eight years for a language design, at least one modern virtual machine, and one implementation. That's just under $32,000 per year.

          My point