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  • I found it rather offensive. I also loved how he defined a "just war" as one where you "really believe" the made-up facts against Iraq (and then goes on a rant about violating sanctions, yet these were UN sanctions and the UN did not authorise this war). Presumably made up facts about Iran will also be justification for an invasion.

    Yeah that makes a whole lot of sense now - GWB really believed all those "facts", so it MUST be Just.
    • I also loved how he defined a "just war" as one where you "really believe" the made-up facts against Iraq

      You love how I did something that I didn't do?

      Try listening again. What I said was that you can define it either way. If going into Iraq is to stop Hussein from doing something terrible, that is Just, according to the Just War Theory. This is a given. And I said the war is NOT a Just War if you think the motives were otherwise, such as for oil.

      and then goes on a rant about violating sanctions, yet th
      • Try listening again. What I said was that you can define it either way. If going into Iraq is to stop Hussein from doing something terrible, that is Just, according to the Just War Theory. This is a given. And I said the war is NOT a Just War if you think the motives were otherwise, such as for oil.

        You're very careful to not say whether or not you think it is or isn't a Just war. If you believe that it wasn't Just based on your reasoning then please feel free to respond to this comment indicating so. Otherw
        • You're very careful to not say whether or not you think it is or isn't a Just war.

          Correct. The reason is simple: because I am not entirely sure, and even to the extent I think it is, I wouldn't try to convince anyone else.

          Just because I am opinionated doesn't mean I have come to a conclusion about everything, or that I would attempt to convince others of all my opinions.

          If you believe that it wasn't Just based on your reasoning then please feel free to respond to this comment indicating so.

          There is no "fac
          • You can't even comment on your misrepresentation about what I actually said? Oh, come on ...

            I don't believe I did that, so what can I say? I'm sorry you think so, but that's one of those back-handed apologies that isn't worth much. Regarding your lack of criticism of the Bush administration - perhaps I've been reading the wrong blog and if so I can apologise for my lack of knowledge on that. Certainly I can't recall any such criticisms on use.perl though maybe my memory is faulty.

            Your reasoning for believin
            • I don't believe I did that, so what can I say?

              So you still think I defined a "just war" as one where you "really believe" the made-up facts against Iraq. Except, I didn't. I said that that reasoning could be one justification for saying the war was Just. But I added quickly that there was no obligation to believe those things, and that if you didn't, well, then probably, to you it wasn't Just. I did not define what a Just War was, I simply gave one way in which you could reasonably call the war Just, an
              • ... To that I merely say, I think the costs are too high to take that chance. Maybe I'm wrong. I dunno.

                The other common criticism of my view is that it didn't work: it just made things worse. To that I say two things: a. we do not know things are actually worse, especially for the long run; b. just because I favored going in doesn't mean I favor how the whole enterprise has been handled.


                Right now the only thing we do know is that a) things are actually worse and b) the costs have been enormous.

                When does it
                • Without getting involved too much in the can of worms, and without offering an opinion either way, I seem to recall seeing figures on terrorist attacks (and yes, that has definition issues) that said while the total number of terrorist acts was up greatly since before the war, the number of attacks once you factor out those happening in Iraq were notably down on beforehand.

                  So at least for now I guess one could argue it's making those of us outside of Iraq somewhat safer.

                  And of course, my country hasn't had
                  • by Matts (1087) on 2006.09.27 9:18 (#50486) Journal
                    There are definitely too many issues with the concept of "terrorist attacks". For example does the recent alleged plan to attack airplanes in the UK constitute an attack?

                    The problem with the cost aspect is it has the potential to throw the entire world into another depression, because the US is relying solely on debt to fund this war, and debt can only go so far - what is the plan to repay that debt? I don't believe there is one.

                    So despite Australia getting off lightly on the current cost of the war, there is potential for a very scary future not too far down the line.