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  • Huh. You sound an awful lot like rindolf. []
    come sail away
    • If you mean I literally sound like him, then wow, no, I don't. At all. :-)

      If you mean my situation sounds like his, then yeah, a bit. Back then, it was considered bad form to ban people for disliking them, even Shlomi FIsh/rindolf. Note my reply [] on that journal entry: even though I was criticizing Shlomi Fish, I noted sungo was wrong to ban him.

      That's how #perl pretty much always was, since it became a social channel. Apparently mst and apeiron have ruined it, as this is apparently now standard practice

      • No. It's standard practice to turn #perl on into a channel that we're not ashamed for new users to come into. This is most of why *I* am not in there anymore.

        This is not the #perl you grew up with and it's not the #perl that tolerated all of our fights and bullshit.

        While I've not read a transcript of this latest interaction, you need to understand that times have changed and old regulars are not immune from the process. You can come along for the ride and help out or you can get out.

        • sungo, you're confused.

          You're right that it is not the old #perl, but you're wrong about everything else. Banning people who aren't doing anything bad or wrong is not how you keep people unashamed. There was no fight, mst just has a grudge, along with hobbs and apeiron. It's not about being unashamed, it's about being power-hungry dicks who cannot tolerate people who they have differences with. There's no way I could "help out" with that.

          • by sungo (640) on 2010.08.11 13:31 (#72294) Homepage

            I'm not confused about everything else because I helped plan and continue to support these changes behind the scenes. As others have pointed out, a lot changed while you were away.

            You're taking things more personally than you need to, but that's generally your style. That's not new. The three folks you mentioned have been pretty instrumental in turning the channel around from the horrors of ages past. As a lead oper, they'll continue to get my support.

            Let me put it a different way since nothing seems to be getting through (and yes, you can take this as personally as you want):

            You don't contribute anything to the channel. Over the years, the only thing you've contributed has been nasty loud conversations in which you attempt to shout down anyone who you have a difference with. Do you remember the last presidential election? Do you think any of that conversation helped #perl be a better place for people to talk about and learn about perl?

            If you want to contribute to the community in a useful, calm, collaborative fashion, let us know. Otherwise, you can continue being banned and bitching on your blog like a teenager.

            • You're taking things more personally

              See, no, you are seriously confused. The ban was entirely, 100%, personal. It was based entirely on their dislike of me, and nothing else.

              You don't contribute anything to the channel.

              Shrug. Your opinion is noted, and due to its obvious ignorance, discarded: I many times, regularly, for years helped people with perl, Mac OS, all sorts of things. And I often asked questions and sought help. And people often sought my opinion and help on these and other matters, including, yes, politics.

              you attempt to shout down anyone who you have a difference with

              Now you're just lying, sungo. I NEVER did that. EVER. Engagi

            • Do you think any of that conversation helped #perl be a better place for people to talk about and learn about perl?

              Does this mean that there's actual discussion of Perl in #perl these days? I may have to visit again.