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  • Hm. I think I'm beginning to see where you're getting your anti-Israeli perspective.

    Isreal is blockading palestine and ghettoising it, imposing curfews, roadblocks and rocket or tanks assaults on civilians.

    But no mention that Israel has been in a state of war for over 50 years, and been targeted by a continual stream of suicide bombers for the past few years.

    Somehow, I don't think you would be so indignant if London were under perpetual attack by Foobari martyrs wearing suicide jackets -- in the pu

    • This I states that its only the terrorists who are interested in continuing the conflict.

      Unfortunately there are many in the government and the army who would rather the conflict continue, and continues to cost palestine more than isreal in both money and lives, than pull out of occupied areas, allow repatriation and take the settlements out.

      The people (or rather a large section of them) in israel elected the current government on the policies of putting revenge and 'security' before peace. If peace wer

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      • Unfortunately there are many in the government and the army who would rather the conflict continue, [...]

        While that statement is trivially true, it undermines the fact that the vast majority on both sides want the conflict to end.

        The people (or rather a large section of them) in israel elected the current government on the policies of putting revenge and 'security' before peace.

        Um, no. Israeli politics do not work that way. No government has ever gotten a simple majority in the popular vote. G

        • Only the people on one side is in a position to end it though. The palestinians are powerless to reign in terror groups acting in their name, Palestinian security and infrastructure has been damaged to such an extent that Arafat is hardly in a position to impose a ceasefire.

          Isreal on the other hand - a) voted for this b) have some control over the forces acting in their name by voting against parties with security-not-peace policies or concientious objection.

          I know Israel has a coalition, this means the moderate vote is so small as to not count - the government has to pander to right-wing and settler interests.

          The UN is far better than the IDF at seperating warring parties with much less blood and far more accountability and fairness, putting humanitarian needs at the forefront of their actions. UN peacekeeping works in many places and would offer more security than inexperienced and jumpy/overenthusastic israeli conscripts.

          The current intifada is about 3 things - Sharon visiting Muslim holy places, more settlements being built and more illegal occupation, on top of the usual illegal occupation and other actions of the IDF

          The thing about terrorism is that after a point the agenda of terrorists moves further from the original and becomes self-sustaining. Rebels become Freedom fighters become terrorists become organised criminals become gangsters. The IRA towards the end of the 90's became more of a sectarian mafia than a terrorist organisation - the same will happen elsewhere.

          The important similarity though is that when politicians walk away from the table the moderates are unable to win away supporters from extremists. This becomes self-sustaining too.

          Ariel Sharon using terror as an excuse to stop talks or demand greater concessions just continues the cycle of violence. Israeli 'security' and reprisals fuel terrorism, as does poverty and propoganda in the refugee camps.

          As long as Israel follows a policy of an eye (and usually several innocent passers-by too) for an eye, and extreme curtailing of palestinian human rights suicide bombing will continue.

          The main point with the UK and northern ireland was that you have to talk before you get peace. But if you neither want to talk nor give the concessions required for any agreement then you clearly don't want peace enough.

          Isreal may want peace but it wants security, occupied terratory, and control of its neighbour more than it wants peace.

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          @JAPH = qw(Hacker Perl Another Just);
          print reverse @JAPH;
          • Only the people on one side is in a position to end it though. The palestinians are powerless to reign in terror groups acting in their name, Palestinian security and infrastructure has been damaged to such an extent that Arafat is hardly in a position to impose a ceasefire.

            Look, I think that Israeli government policy in the territories (and on many other issues, to be honest) is wrongheaded and counterproductive in many ways. But your above claim ignores reality. The Palestinian police could crack dow