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All the Perl that's Practical to Extract and Report

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  • Unfortunately "statistics" can be easily bent and presented to make any fact look true ;-(

    I think in David A Whetton's case it was just a mistake not understanding what the Freshmeat figures really mean. Unfortunately though there are lots of people out there falling into exact same trap. And even worse there are people out there doing a lot of "bending" to make things meet their own agenda.

    If u can't beat them then join them! I think its time to up the ante with a concerted Perl propaganda campaig
    • IMO, there seems to be two kinds of users in most tool/language projects. On one side, there are those who approach it with a disinterested and purely pragmatic method, looking to answer the question of whether it will work for the set of tasks at hand, or at least have a good understanding of why the design rationale is good.

      On the other, there's the mass of users who follow the hype and use it because XYZ said it's *the* thing to use and go by more subjective metrics, chief of which being the popularity.

      I

    • Typo.... that should be David N. Welton.

      /I3az/
  • BTW... is there a published Perl5 roadmap?

    This may help the naysayers see that Perl5 does have a future (even with Perl6).

    /I3az/
  • I value your efforts but please, the way you defending perl 6 sometimes pisses some people because its sometimes harsh. i can understand why you pissed by stupidety of some but your hiting the wrong people. plus it feels weak to me if you do it in a defending way. Perl 6 ist most interesting language and software project on planet now. period. you can't really argue directly against FUD. Advertising the parrot releases is good but if you concentrate on how many specs where finished, subsystems, tests writte
    • [The] way you defending perl 6 sometimes pisses some people because its sometimes harsh.

      Facts are facts. We release a new version of Parrot and Rakudo every month. We've done so for Parrot for over two years, and we've done so for Rakudo since its inception at the end of 2007. Every month, Parrot and Rakudo get better, more stable, more featureful, and more usable. We have public roadmaps and milestones, and Rakudo even has big visible charts which demonstrate daily progress.

      Short of chaining people t

  • perl5 is more mature, though, and doesn't have as much to prove, so doesn't really need to release as often; while perl6 is young and cocky, looking to prove itself... or do you think perl5 seems dead and needs to dispel the rumors? :) Besides, the CPAN link you gave shows the last maintenance release of perl5 to be 5.8.9, 23 days ago. When was the last maintenance release of perl6? ;)

    (There's a point to the topic, though: "Revolution or Obscurity". Information keeps proliferating so fast, that more and mor

    • [Perl 5] is more mature, though, and doesn't have as much to prove, so doesn't really need to release as often....

      You don't see a perception problem in releasing a testing release (5.10) and not releasing a stable release within a year?

      Note that I'm not asking if or suggesting that Perl 5.10 is anything but stable. It's a question about perception.

      When was the last maintenance release of [Perl 6]?

      The last Rakudo release was 18 December, bundled with Parrot 0.8.2. The next Rakudo release will be 20 Jan

  • Why is Perl 5.10 labeled as "testing" again?

    • As far as I can tell, because it might have bugs -- not that 5.8.9 is getting bugfixes anymore -- and because people should test their code before upgrading.

  • There is little argument, I hope, that Perl 6 is a very different language than Perl 5. Different enough that for those who have used Perl 5 to great effect in the past it is akin to the prospect of learning any other 'new' language. Learning a new language with none of the supporting example code and available books as those other 'new' languages.

    Learning a new language that doesn't have the stable and fast core that makes the interpreter seem like a good choice over the other new languages.

    This do
  • I have the feeling that people judge other people and communities more by attitudes - and no one likes to be corrected, correcting people publicly is picking a fight. I think I like more the Larry Wall's way of replying to critisism [google.com].