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  • I won't touch the "moron" label (sure, those Bushisms are embarassing sometimes, but it's hard for me to swallow a Yale and Harvard MBA graduate as a "moron" ;)), but I would label Kerry with the same murderous tag. Shooting a fleeing Vietnamese in the back as well as the unknown (or known [] {from Kerry's own lips}) atrocities that Kerry participated in, over in Vietnam deserve the same judgement.

    Of course, it depends on who you listen to, the Swift Vets gang [] or the Democrats (and the mainstream media that
    • Yes of course :)

      WRT the murderous there's a difference not only in degree but also in nature between some war atrocities and send people to butchery by starting an entire war based on lies purely for personal profit.

      As for Kerry's competence, it simply doesn't matter: no matter how incompetent you just can't be worse than Bush. It's never been seen in any major country before, and, with any hope, won't be seen again in our lifetimes. The Democrats could run a monkey for presidency, I'd still s


      -- Robin Berjon []

      • Incompetent is probably not the right word ... an incompetent President would have done nothing after 9/11 and allowed for more terrorism of that magnitude to take place.

        ...starting an entire war based on lies purely for personal profit.

        Wow. That's completely ignoring the fact that this whole thing wasn't started by Bush, but by the terrorists from 9/11. Even John Kerry believes we did the right thing, by going to war with Afghanistan and Iraq (though he wanted a different approach). Maybe if he sho []

        • Afghanistan was the right thing to do. Or rather, it would have been the right thing to do right. It has been left mostly to its own devices, and large tracts of the taliban movement and al-Qaeda are still operating there because of that. Iraq had no link whatsoever to terrorism. Now it's become the most convenient way to attack american interests, and therefore a terrorist hotbed.

          Small things can be indicative. For instance, there may be reasons why after 9/11 98% of Europeans said they were extre


          -- Robin Berjon []

          • If you think Bush eradicated more terrorism than he created, go argue your points to a Madrilene.

            Sorry darobin, there is not a jot of evidence that Bush's actions contributed to 3/11. You actually believe what they say? Talk about "moron." Bin Laden said he attacked on 9/11 because of U.S. support of Israel, which is something he never mentioned years before when he was attacking the U.S. They change their reasons to whatever they think will garner them the most support. Don't buy into the foolishness.

            The terrorists suffered zilch from the war in Iraq

            Nonsense. We have killed a great many of them, and continue to.

            but some people got their hands on strategic oil.


            I don't see how 9/11 justifies Iraq -- just because someone punches you in the face doesn't mean you can go hit on some random other guy.

            9/11 showed us that we have an enemy out there, and that if we wait for them to come to us, we have already lost. The decision was made to help transform the Middle East, to remove some of the trouble spots. Iraq was the biggest and easiest and most obvious target, because of its ties to terrorism, because of its existing sanctioned regime, because we wanted him gone anyway.

            In the end, it is about regional stability. Seen Syria on a map lately? Anti-war people like to say how we should attack Syria instead, because they are the most active in supporting terrorism. But one of the primary ways they exported their terrorists was through Iraq. Now how will they get out? Through Turkey, Israel, Jordan? We are working to transform Syria and Iran by putting pressure on them through the transformation of Iraq.

            It should be telling that the governments of Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc. were all in favor of the war in Iraq. They knew something needed to be done to remove the threat to regional stability.

            Will it work? Dunno. But if you wish to debate it, fine. But if all you wish to do is pretend this was some simple-minded effort to kill people for oil, then you clearly don't wish to have a reasonable debate.