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  • It's so easy to knock down straw men. Kinda fun sometimes, too.

    If only I had known that that liberals are driven by "wishful thinking" and and "the notion that we can make life on Earth perfect" and "[maybe] we can all have a Star Trek like existence". Gosh, even though I've never met a single liberal who espouses such a view, clearly you, Pudge, the Champion of Truth and Light, have revealed to me the Way. Never again shall I be so shallow as to believe that differences in core values might lead peopl

    • It's so easy to knock down straw men. Kinda fun sometimes, too.

      Sorry, try again. Actually, YOU are the one with the straw man here.

      If only I had known that that liberals are driven by "wishful thinking" and and "the notion that we can make life on Earth perfect" and "[maybe] we can all have a Star Trek like existence".

      I didn't say that. Listen again. I said it is a core part of the motive of MANY liberals. Not liberals in general.

      Gosh, even though I've never met a single liberal who espouses such a view
      • Agreed that you didn't say "all liberals". My apologies. However, you presented the viewpoint of what describe as "many liberals" and you quite failed to make it clear that this is a minority viewpoint. Instead, you presented a viewpoint that is clearly your own, you mocked it ("Star Trek like existence"?), and used a minority opinion -- one I don't hear -- as a contrast to conservative opinion. You might think it's fair to contrast a minority opinion with what you clearly view as the rational conservat

        • Perhaps a better wording would have been "a significant number of liberals" instead of "many liberals."

          Instead, you presented a viewpoint that is clearly your own, you mocked it ("Star Trek like existence"?)

          Have you listened to Ask Pudge episode 1? Because one of the questions was this [slashdot.org]. So in the full context of Ask Pudge, the whole "Star Trek post economy, everyone's needs could be filled if we'd just abandon capitalism/conservatism/greed" has been referenced before and is being referenced again.

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          • Well, I certainly wouldn't say that many conservatives are motivated by fear. In fact, I don't think the neo-cons who've hijacked (in my opinion) the conservative party are motivated by fear. (Like many, I feel they find fear is a great tool for public manipulation). So no, I don't think the comparison is unfair for this reason.

            And for the record, my general opinion of what I view as "true" conservatives tends to be people who think that smaller government works better and the government should be stay

            • To clarify previous post, you and I are in complete definition over that definition of conservatism. I don't think we're in complete agreement in both accepting that as our own personal viewpoint, because I don't think (but could be wrong) that it's your viewpoint.

              Yet. ;)

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              • The problem I have with some conservatives is the same problem I have with some Christians. Basically, what they preach and what they practice aren't the same thing. This is hypocricy. Frankly, I don't mind a little hypocricy now and then so long as the practitioner is willing to admit the error of their ways and tries to be better. However, when they refuse to admit they are wrong, I have strong issues with this. Unfortunately, while these might be minority positions, they seem to have had a dispropor

                • Everything you just said sounds like it could've come straight out of my mouth. My wife and I talk about this all the time. We believe God specifically prohibits Christians from governing others. (And the maximum penalty church government can impose is putting people out of the church.) I use the phrase "right to sin" a lot, with the same logic you do: God gives us the right to sin. God believes in the right to sin.

                  Frankly, I don't mind a little hypocricy now and then so long as the practitioner is

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                  • I will never vote for a politician again. All politicians assert their right to govern over people regardless of consent. As a Christian I can't support this, and even if I were not a Christian it would violate self-ownership.

                    Then do not complain. You have no right to complain if you are not participating in the process to improve it, to protect your own rights. The cost of having liberty is eternal vigilance to defend that liberty, and if you don't do that, you get what you deserve: slavery.

                    At least, tha
                    • It's not about complaining. It's about persuading people that they don't have the moral authority to rule over one another, even if they vote on it. And I will continue to say so.

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                    • Incidentally, I'm still casting ballots. I'm just not voting for any politicians. I'm voting against referendum measures, and voting "none of the above," "other," or writein against every single candidate running. I'd like for a majority of people to discover they have no right to rule others, either, and join me. Elections are never won by true majorities since that many people rarely vote. I think every registered voter who doesn't show up ought to count as a "no" or "none of the above" vote, to make

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                    • I'd like for a majority of people to discover they have no right to rule others, either, and join me.

                      First you'd have to throw out the Constitution. Good luck with that.

                      Elections are never won by true majorities since that many people rarely vote. I think every registered voter who doesn't show up ought to count as a "no" or "none of the above" vote, to make it obvious.

                      Except that's not logical. Our system has never been based on the notion that a majority of citizens should support something, only that a majority of voters should. Again: you'd have to throw out the Constitution.

                      So, since I'm still voting, can I still protest when the government does some that's wrong whether I voted for it or not?

                      You can protest. Just don't expect me to care unless you actually do something. Because that is what is required. You can expect to be a slave if you don't actively protect your rights.
                    • I'd like for a majority of people to discover they have no right to rule others, either, and join me.

                      First you'd have to throw out the Constitution. Good luck with that.

                      Every good conservative agrees that the Constitution doesn't grant rights, right?

                      Our system has never been based on the notion that a majority of citizens should support something, only that a majority of voters should. Again: you'd have to throw out the Constitution.

                      It's amendable, right?

                      You can expect to be a slave if you

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                    • Every good conservative agrees that the Constitution doesn't grant rights, right?

                      You're missing my point: the Constitution gives explicit authority to the government, through the people, to "rule others."

                      It's amendable, right?

                      Yes. In the way you want? No. It's antithetical to the Constitution, and logically nonsensical, since you'd never possibly get a majority of Americans to actually agree to it. Worse, in order to ever find out whether you had a majority, you would need to know everyone who is and is