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All the Perl that's Practical to Extract and Report

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  • If my economics are wrong, show me. [...] If you know the secret to software development, show me.

    Let's try to do just that.

    Here's zero dollars and the source code. Fix everything you can about Perl 5. See you in two years.

    I disagree with your economics. While the sums spent on Perl 6 development were certainly not vast, it may actually be one of the better funded open source language developments out there, certainly compared with Perl 5 during the late 20th century period in which I followed it c

    • Are Ruby, Python, Lua, and, for that matter, Perl 5.x, really better funded than Perl 6?

      Charles Nutter, Ola Bini, John Lam, and at least one more person I'm forgetting at the moment are all funded Ruby implementation developers.

      Guido van Rossum is a funded Python developer. I don't know whether to count Alex Martelli. Jim Hugunin is a funded Python developer.

      I don't know who's funded to work on Lua. I thought it was a research project from Roberto's university, but I haven't confirmed that just n

      • Charles Nutter, Ola Bini, John Lam, and at least one more person I'm forgetting at the moment are all funded Ruby implementation developers.

        My impression is that Nutter & Bini are on JRuby and Lam is on IronRuby, so I'm not sure they should count for funding of the mainline interpreter.

        Guido van Rossum is a funded Python developer.

        Full time? My impression was that he had other duties at Google as well.

        To find funded Perl 5 developers, you have to go to ActiveState

        Who, I believe, tend to fu

        • ... if you look at it over the almost 8 years of Perl 6 development, rather than on a monthly cash-flow basis, it is not all that insubstantial either.

          Let's take the $150,000 paid to Larry, Damian, and Dan, the $70,000 from NL.net, the $10,000 from the Mozilla Foundation, $3000 from Vienna.pm, and $20,000 from various Summer of Code projects. That's $255,000 over eight years for a language design, at least one modern virtual machine, and one implementation. That's just under $32,000 per year.

          I invit

          • ... if you look at it over the almost 8 years of Perl 6 development, rather than on a monthly cash-flow basis, it is not all that insubstantial either.

            Let's take the $150,000 paid to Larry, Damian, and Dan, the $70,000 from NL.net, the $10,000 from the Mozilla Foundation, $3000 from Vienna.pm, and $20,000 from various Summer of Code projects. That's $255,000 over eight years for a language design, at least one modern virtual machine, and one implementation. That's just under $32,000 per year.

            My point is that it's irrelevant how much it is PER YEAR. Also, if I read the Perl foundation tax returns correctly, Larry, Damian, and Dan got more like $265,000, and there were some other nontrivial grants from the Perl foundation, so the total (assuming that your other numbers are correct and complete) would be more like $400,000.

            I invite you to tell Matz he can get Ruby 2.0 for $32,000 a year or Guido he can get Python 3000 for $32,000 a year

            Offer either of them $400K for those milestones, and I don't think they'd dismiss the offer as unrealistic.

            Are you arguing that Parrot or Perl 6 ARE ready for prime time?

            You've changed your original argument, so I have no interest in continuing.

            I've changed the wording of my argument, but not its thrust, which is that work on a project only starts counting once that project is reasonably stable, usable, and feature complete.

            Are you arguing that Parrot or Perl 6 ARE those things?