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  • Iraq is progressing about as well as anyone could have hoped.

    Unless you were the guy responsible for the initial plan [rense.com].

    We used to play that game as kids. I would do something on my skateboard... it would go incredibly bad, then I'd say: "I meant to do that".

    Of course, it wasn't true.

    And, as this article notes [typepad.com] many of the people that actually had a clue about how it was really going to go down... they got fired.

    By all indications, the nation is well on its way to having its own entirely independent country, with new executives to be chosen soon, and a Constitution to be written by the new representatives, to be ratified later this year.

    Well, if the ten points (Analyzing the Elections) in this article [palestinechronicle.com] are true... I would not exactly call them "independent".

    Or a democracy for that matter.

    But hey, every country needs a puppet government so they can deploy new military bases.

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    Now, we are in the country. It is too late to "do no harm", but... I do believe we have the responsibiltiy to do as little harm as possible. And that means getting out as soon as possible, IMHO.

    There are several things that tick me off about the whole thing and this seems like a good post mention them.

    1) The attitude, which even you seem to have in this very post (what matters is whether they win in the end), that the ends somehow justify the means.

    That is terribly wrong, especially coming from a group claiming a "moral" mandate.

    I mean, there are certainly easier ways to get Bush out of office than a vote. But that would not be right.

    We could eleminate poverty in America by simply killing the poor. But that would not be right.

    The ends do not justify the means. Doing the right thing is what justifies the means.

    The whole idea of cheating to "win" seems counter-moral to me. Yet it seems to be something that the Republicans identify greatly with. Winning... at all costs.

    2) Pre-emptive war.

    Why?

    Simple, you just legitimized the attacks on the World Trade Center.

    They were simply pre-emptive attacks agains a "war mongering" state with "weapons of mass destruction". The only state, by the way, that has ever deployed nuclear weapons against another country.

    Looking at it from the point of view of others, if ever there was a country that should be "pre-emptively" attacked... it is us.

    Naturally, I think that this is wrong. But, I also think it is as legitimate as the concept of "pre-emptive" strikes.

    Pre-emptive strikes are for fear mongering barbarians. Not civilized peoples.

    And, if that isn't a legitimate line of reasoning... then add this to the list: Using different rules for ourselves than we allow for others.

    3) They lied to get what they want.

    Call it what you want. This administration tied Iraq to 9/11 and used that to "justify" going after Iraq.

    Yeah, you can point to other things they used to justify it also. You can get pedantic and insist that it depends on what the definition of "is" is. That just adds fuel to the fire. They used every single excuse they could find to "sell" it to the public.

    Me thinks a legitimate endevor would not require that behavior.

    4) Missed the target

    Meanwhile, the country that most of the 9/11 attackers came from... still jerking our chain [forbes.com] with meetings.

    And, the mastermind... we still get "updates" from him too.

    So, while I applaud the president's goal of "spreading democracy"... I can't help but cringe at the total ineptitude and arrogance that seem to permeate their every decision.

    • You're really boring.
      • You know thats the problem with the U.S.

        Kerry didn't get elected because he couldnt or refused to reduce complex moral, economic and military issues into happy chirpy apple-pie bullshit, unlike Bush who lied through his teeth to provide patriotic sounding soundbites.

        Why listlen when its boring - much better to believe that Saddam was a bad guy (in fact he is quite far down the list of bad guys, compared to dictators accross africa and asia) that needed to be removed from power, or that the iraqi opposit

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        @JAPH = qw(Hacker Perl Another Just);
        print reverse @JAPH;
        • Kerry didn't get elected because he couldnt or refused to reduce complex moral, economic and military issues into happy chirpy apple-pie bullshit

          Keep deceiving yourself if you want your party to keep losing. Don't let me stop you.

          much better to believe that Saddam was a bad guy (in fact he is quite far down the list of bad guys, compared to dictators accross africa and asia) that needed to be removed from power

          Talk about simplistic bullshit!