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• #perl (Score:1)

  by rjbs (4671)

  No one is welcome on #perl. #perl is a hive of scum and villany. It's not, I think, unwelcoming to women or men specifically. It's unwelcoming to anybody with any sense of propriety.
  
  I actually think that as far as sexism goes, magnet #perl is among the lesser offenders. Or it just offends in every other way more.
  
  Anyway, irc.perl.org is NOT ircnet. It's magnet.

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  rjbs
  • Re:#perl (Score:2)

    by nicholas (3034) <nwc10+useperl@colon.colondot.net> on 2007.09.29 11:59 (#58116) Homepage Journal

    Or it just offends in every other way more.

    Yes, this is what I feel about #perl. The odd times I pop in someone somehow says something I find offensive or irritating rather quickly. So I leave. And I'm under the impression that I have a fairly think skin.

    I much prefer #london.pm (and #p5p) which as far as I can tell are most welcoming to anyone*, regardless of gender (or location** or programming language preference). It's amusing that about half the female regulars on #london.pm don't actually realise who all the other female regulars are.

    I have no idea how to make #perl more like this. It's all very well for people in the know to know where the newbie friendly channels are, but by definition newbies aren't in the know.

    * unless they are both new and (rude or stupid). And excessive rude or stupid is not tolerated from the regulars. The list seems to run on the same rules, with sexism triggering both the "rude" and "stupid" clauses.

    ** In particular, sometimes it feels more like #amsterdam.pm. It seems fair game to organise dim sum in Amsterdam on channel. :-)

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    • Re: (Score:1)

      by rjbs (4671)

      The way to change #perl is for ops and/or opers to agree to enforce stricter codes of conduct. There are other channels on magnet that are like this, like #london.pm. I don't have strong feelings one way or the other about whether #perl should be gelded, but I do think that it will only happen if the "pillars" of #perl agree to it.
      
      The only reason I think it might be worth doing is that irc.perl.org#perl is pretty darn easy for a newb to guess. It would be nice to have #perl's current culture still availa

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      rjbs
      • Re: (Score:1)

        by perigrin (3495)

        But where then would we bash.org readers get our Perl questions answered?
        
        I've managed six something years of irc.perl.org life without having #perl in my IRC client more than once annually. I can't say I feel a loss ...