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All the Perl that's Practical to Extract and Report

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  • Great conversation here. Glad that people are willing to engage in it thoughtfully. (Many thanks to Alias for the conversation starter.)

    @ educated_foo [perl.org]: The reality is that people are using Ruby, and Rails, for more than just scripting up "shiny-looking web page with minimal effort." (I'll concede the point about DHH's hair.) They're using it for all kinds of crazy stuff, like writing desktop applications and large-scale messaging services like Twitter. (All things that Perl can do equally well.)

    Regardless, I

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    • > I've heard it argued that the Perl community doesn't really want an avalanche of new people -- signal-to-noise and all that garbage.

      Really? Who? Where? I'll go and smack them in the face.

      > However, if we want to see those showcase sites, and applications, running Perl

      And the scary thing is, we do run those sites.

      IMDB, Amazon, Yahoo, DoubleClick, LiveJournal, The BBC, the... er... world's biggest... um... porn site (YouPorn).

      > It's the marketing "claptrap," it's the shiny-looking Web sites...

      Half our problem is, I suspect, we lack the knowledge to even understand the correct terms to describe what we think we need.

      The question is, given a consistent lack of competence, and a desire to improve, what are the kinds of processes we need to go through to address it?

      • I think we could use some good blogs on marketing and visual vs. functional design, etc. A website dedicated to grinding this particular ax would welcome. Articles in a well read online publication would be excellent. Ignorance can be cured.

        Some of what needs to be done, may appear as simple window dressing. But a consistent style guide and resources for building Perl websites that would like to use it would be great.

        There are a lot of unorganized efforts out there. Things like making it easier to install

      • "And the scary thing is, we do run those sites."

        Very underplayed by the Perl community, unfortunately. From Perl.org, which then links to the O'Reilly site, the "success stories" are five years old. There are other lists I've seen, but none are very comprehensive or compelling.

        "The question is, given a consistent lack of competence, and a desire to improve, what are the kinds of processes we need to go through to address it?"

        I think the process has begun [delicious.com]. Let's see where it goes.

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