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  • ... had your mail delivered to the local Salvation Army, or a church, or any number of charities' offices, or a friend's house. You could have given their phone numbers too, and they'd take messages for you. Sorry, still no sympathy.

    In a civilised society (and I'll admit I don't actually know whether you live in one) there is enough help from the state that no-one need live on the streets, no-one need eat other peoples' rubbish. Therefore I conclude that anyone living on the streets in a civilised society is either mentally ill and incapable of helping themselves (in which case they should be in hospital, and I pay the state to take that responsibility) or is there by their own choice (in which case they don't want my help).

    • In this case there is no civilised society. (or maybe Finland ? :) I still recommend Orwell's autobiography, see last comment, to see how so-called government or church or Salvation Army help can be more alienating than no help at all.
    • In a civilised society (and I'll admit I don't actually know whether you live in one) there is enough help from the state that no-one need live on the streets, no-one need eat other peoples' rubbish.

      Right. Sure. Try it. It's interesting that those outside of a situation often have a peculiar idea about the situation of those inside of it.

      Having an address is not about having mail delivered. It's about being able to put something down on an application so the prospective boss doesn't realize you're

      • Right. Sure. Try it.

        I know for a fact that in *this* civilised society it is possible to claim income support and housing benefit, and to get help finding a home of some kind from the local council. That home might be a room in a manky "hotel" it's true, but it's a roof, with an address and a phone. Please remember, I did say that I don't know whether you live in a civilised society or not. Judging by your comments in this post, then you probably don't.

        Yes, I agree that asking to have your mail sent

        • Therefore I conclude that anyone living on the streets in a civilised society is either mentally ill and incapable of helping themselves (in which case they should be in hospital, and I pay the state to take that responsibility) or is there by their own choice (in which case they don't want my help).

          I really don't know how to read that other than to accuse the homeless of being lazy or crazy. Of course, you do say "civilised society", so perhaps that's a way out. I would definitely argue that the US i

    • ... had your mail delivered to the local Salvation Army, or a church, or any number of charities' offices, or a friend's house. You could have given their phone numbers too, and they'd take messages for you. Sorry, still no sympathy.

      Why in the world does the fact that he might have had unconsidered alternatives mean that we should not be sympathetic for his plight?

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      J. David works really hard, has a passion for writing good software, and knows many of the world's best Perl programmers
      • Because those alternatives are as obvious as the nose in front of your face.
        • Going to churches (including the Salvation Army, which is a church) is not very obvious to non-religious people or persons of other religions. Going to friends' houses is not very obvious to people with no friends. Going to charities is obvious, but you'll notice that he mentioned, "You go to a homeless shelter only to find, again, a sign on the door saying 'full'." I would presume that if there were any remaining obvious charities to mention, the full shelters would do so.
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          J. David works really hard, has a passion for writing good software, and knows many of the world's best Perl programmers
          • I'm not religious at all, but I thought of it. Might as well get some use out of the otherwise pointless god-bothering centres. And as for people of other religions - if there's no local mosque or temple, then "beggars can't be choosers".