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  • Perhaps they should use retinal scans, which don't smack so much of criminality.


  • by hfb (74) on 2003.05.20 4:39 (#20291) Homepage Journal

    All of the EU countries must start complying with the US demand that all EU passports must contain biometric data [] by late next year. Any citizens of a country who doesn't comply has to appy for a visa for a trip of any length. You have to wonder what the US intends to do with this data. GATTACA may have been prescient rather than an entertaining futuristic fiction.

    Fingerprinting takes too long but the retinal scanners are still very expensive. Who knows if they'll even have the smartchip infrastructure available in the next few years in order to use what they're demanding. Of course, the easy solution for everyone outside the US is to not enter the US, especially after Dubya gets 4 more followed by 4-8 of Jeb.

    • maybe that's bush's plan: make it too inconvenient for terrorists to enter the country.

      "I can't afford a retinal scan, so I guess I'll blow something up in some other country"

      (tounge in cheek)
      • unlikely. :) It'll just up the stakes for identity forgers around the world. Just wait until the biometrics database gets hacked. It'll have an even further negative effect on the travel industry, too. I'm sure yankees will see biometric data on their passports as soon as the external proof of concept works out.

        As a passport toting yankee I'm afraid to enter US airspace, especially with Jarkko, because police, irrational fear and guns generally make for a volatile and extremely uncomfortable environment..

    • GATTACA may have been prescient rather than an entertaining futuristic fiction

      You give Andrew Niccol's writing far too much credit for being either precient or entertaining. Fiction I'd agree with.

  • it won't help (Score:3, Insightful)

    by TeeJay (2309) on 2003.05.20 5:17 (#20294) Homepage Journal
    There is already far too much information in the system - this wouldn't have stopped any terrorist act in the past few years.

    The things that help are targetting organised crime, corrupt intelligence / police services, decent airport and other key security.

    Currently the 'solutions' are worse than the problem - racism and bigotry, big brother states, loss of civil liberties, etc.


    @JAPH = qw(Hacker Perl Another Just);
    print reverse @JAPH;
  • It's weird, I've never thought of fingerprinting as being "treated like a criminal." Maybe because the majority of fingerprinting I've been around was with children, for local safety programs, for identification in case of things like abduction. I dunno, I just don't think of fingerprinting as a big deal, I think of its purpose in a given context, and in this context, the purpose doesn't seem to be very offensive.

    That said, I don't know how useful the fingerprinting will be, but IANAFBIA.
    • The problem is not in fingerprinting per se, it's in what various public or private agencies are allowed to do with the fingerprint (or biometric / DNA) databases.
      • Well yes, but gnat's apparent complaint (and the complaint of others) was that being fingerprinted it being "treated like a criminal," and I was addressing only that.
    • Well, yeah -- but that depends on the circumstances. I am a law-abiding citizen -- to the degree that probably 95% of U.S. citizens are, anyway -- but when I got fingerprinted, I was nervous. Why?

      I was completely surrounded by police officers.

      I don't necessarily have a problem with cops. I've read/watched/intuited abuses of the power a police officer has, though, and I quite frankly feared for my life a tiny little bit.

      I can't help it. I get that all the time now. I got it yesterday, when I was s


      You are what you think.