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All the Perl that's Practical to Extract and Report

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  • Hidden agenda? Hogwash.

    My impression is that chromatic has been quite clear and forthright with his intentions. He has looked at how the Perl 5 project has been managed, done some root cause analysis, and proposed some improvements to the process based on what his own experiences have found working well.

    Nothing wrong with that. I fact, we should thank chromatic for bothering to look at something that very few open source projects consider at all.

    • He provided crappy and stupid advice, and when told to shut up, politely at the time, he opened a blog to yell louder.

      No thanks for being stubborn, sorry.

      • He provided crappy and stupid advice...

        ...in your opinion. The reason his arguments have gained traction is he has managed to argue his point quite successfully, and most contrary views don't beyond name-calling. In your defense you have at least offered up some reasons for your viewpoint.

        ... and when told to shut up, politely at the time, he opened a blog to yell louder.

        No thanks for being stubborn, sorry.

        Telling anyone to shut up is never polite, regardless of intent. And (as mentioned below) what if he's right?

        • I replied at length and for years on P5P. He made the debate public when being tired of being told that he was wrong on a little mailing list.
          Do you read P5P ?

          • He made the debate public when being tired of being told that he was wrong on a little mailing list.

            That's right, that's how change happens. To use a not-quite-accurate analogy, he saw p5p as damage and routed around it.

            When you have something you want changed, and it's not getting changed, then you go find people to convert to your cause to help get more support for it, so that things can change.

            You may not like what he is asking for, but there's nothing at all wrong with his tactics.

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            • That's right, that's how change happens. To use a not-quite-accurate analogy, he saw p5p as damage and routed around it.

              You may not like what he is asking for, but there's nothing at all wrong with his tactics.

              If you want to route around the people who maintain a piece of software why not just fork and be done with it?

              • If you want to route around the people who maintain a piece of software why not just fork and be done with it?

                I believe reasonable people can find better solutions to disagreements of vision and practice than fragmenting into their own bitter, smaller camps.

                I'm okay with compromising, if there's a serious discussion (or if no one else believes that I'm saying anything important). I'm not okay with "Shut up, you lying, treasonous troll."