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  • by ziggy (25) on 2003.05.20 18:22 (#20315) Journal
    Hm. I think I'm beginning to see where you're getting your anti-Israeli perspective.
    Isreal is blockading palestine and ghettoising it, imposing curfews, roadblocks and rocket or tanks assaults on civilians.
    But no mention that Israel has been in a state of war for over 50 years, and been targeted by a continual stream of suicide bombers for the past few years.

    Somehow, I don't think you would be so indignant if London were under perpetual attack by Foobari martyrs wearing suicide jackets -- in the pubs, on the tube, in public parks, at coffee shops, or private celebrations -- intentionally killing as many innocent British as possible. Nor would you find fault with the Royal Army if they retaliated against Foobari extremists who were constantly shelling subdivisions outside of Manchester or York.

    No wonder all of this is so morally reprehensible. You're focusing on half the story, and totally ignored fifty years of escalation on both sides that led to the current set of events.

    The cameraman and directory was shot twice by an isreali tank when they tried to leave an area they had been trapped in by isreali armoured vehicles while filming the bulldozers desteroying crops and olive trees - they were carrying lights and a white flag, shouting and requesting to be able to leave the area, they didn't wish to dodge the indiscriminate isreali sniper fire of the back alleys the palestinians used. and expected tanks not to fire on unarmed journalists shouting in english.
    Oh, come on. Like speaking in English should confer any special treatment in the middle of a battle. Everyone speaks English in that area. Sounds to me like you're expecting any native English speaker to be treated like a Navajo code talker in the Pacific during World War II.
    It seems that the rest of the world is quite happy to turn a blind eye to these atrocities, even when western journalists are killed.
    Ya know, maybe, just maybe the rest of the world understand that the problem isn't as one sided as you (and BBC4) try to paint it.
    The terrorists have their own agenda, it has as little in common with that of the palestinan people or their government as it does with the people of israel - it has a lot more in common with the IDF, the zionist/jewish militants and settlers who don't want peace but instead bigger walls and more tanks and dead palestinians.
    That's an incredibly broad brush for painting the people of Israel. Had you done your homework, you'd have realized (by now) that the Israeli people are primarily interested in (1) peace and (2) security. The Palestinian people (and Israeli arabs) feel similarly. It's only the terrorists who feel differently.

    But you're not interested in that little tidbit of the story.

    I find it utterly repugnant that you could continue to assert otherwise. Especially when you have continually demonstrated a lack of understanding of the basic issues, have no interest in visiting the area or studying the issue yourself to see what's going on. Instead, you are quite comfortable parroting whatever one-sided propoganda suits your worldview and prejudices Here's a clue: "zionist militants" is a buzzword that's only present in onesided, anti-Israeli propoganda that presumes Israel has no right to defend itself from attack.

    And let's not forget that your moral outrage has exactly one focus: Israeli attacks on poor, innocent Palestinians.

    Hm. I guess dead Israelis deserved it. Just like the ethnically cleansed in Kosovo, the massacred civilians in half a dozen "Civil Wars" in Africa, or the oppressed in Iraq or Afghanistan.

    • This I states that its only the terrorists who are interested in continuing the conflict.

      Unfortunately there are many in the government and the army who would rather the conflict continue, and continues to cost palestine more than isreal in both money and lives, than pull out of occupied areas, allow repatriation and take the settlements out.

      The people (or rather a large section of them) in israel elected the current government on the policies of putting revenge and 'security' before peace. If peace wer

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      • Unfortunately there are many in the government and the army who would rather the conflict continue, [...]

        While that statement is trivially true, it undermines the fact that the vast majority on both sides want the conflict to end.

        The people (or rather a large section of them) in israel elected the current government on the policies of putting revenge and 'security' before peace.

        Um, no. Israeli politics do not work that way. No government has ever gotten a simple majority in the popular vote. G

        • Only the people on one side is in a position to end it though. The palestinians are powerless to reign in terror groups acting in their name, Palestinian security and infrastructure has been damaged to such an extent that Arafat is hardly in a position to impose a ceasefire.

          Isreal on the other hand - a) voted for this b) have some control over the forces acting in their name by voting against parties with security-not-peace policies or concientious objection.

          I know Israel has a coalition, this means

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          • Only the people on one side is in a position to end it though. The palestinians are powerless to reign in terror groups acting in their name, Palestinian security and infrastructure has been damaged to such an extent that Arafat is hardly in a position to impose a ceasefire.

            Look, I think that Israeli government policy in the territories (and on many other issues, to be honest) is wrongheaded and counterproductive in many ways. But your above claim ignores reality. The Palestinian police could crack dow