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  • That means unless you bought fair trade chocolate ... the ingrediants (sic) in your lovely chocolate bar, coffee mocha or cookie was farmed or processed by a child slave.

    That statement is not even close to accurate, from any facts I've seen. The Salon story says less than half of the chocolate imports come from a nation where some of the chocolate was farmed by children, some of whom are slaves. You say all of it is farmed of processed by a child slave. That is clearly false.

    You are misrepresenting th
    • I felt the Salon story seemed to be blurring the truth a bit. At one point they are talking about slavery, at another they seem to be talking about families keeping their children out of school and making them work, perhaps comparable (perhaps much more severe, though) to the United States in the 1800s. It is unclear if all of the children they are talking about are slaves, or if some of them could be branded as underprivileged and perhaps they are trying to lump them all together to make the slave group

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      • I have no problem at all with fairly presenting the issue. I have a problem with careless or intentional disregard for truth, in something that is so obviously wrong as saying that all chocolate, that is not from a particular source, is the result of child slavery.
        • Right. I was mostly trying to amplify what you said and suggest that maybe the misrepresentation began at the Salon article.

          Life has been so tough since I realized last year (thanks to some of you people, actually) that there seems to be no such thing as unbiased news!

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          • Oh god!

            Its okay to eat chocoloate there is only a reasonable chance it was farmed by child slaves - it may have been produced or farmed by children forced to work by their families instead!

            For pities sake you people spend so much time nitpicking you don't ever worry about actually worrying about the important issue.

            Would you have shouted down those who opposed slavery because actually some slaves had been freed and others were domestic servents paid a pittance and therefore not slaves and entirely acc

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            • For pities sake you people spend so much time nitpicking you don't ever worry about actually worrying about the important issue.
              No, we are worrying about the important issue: getting the facts straight. As pudge pointed out: «The Salon story says less than half of the chocolate imports come from a nation where some of the chocolate was farmed by children, some of whom are slaves.»

              I'm not a statistician, but for the sake of argument, let's say that the probability that a single chocolate bar is derived from slave labor is roughly 0.5 (less than half; I'm being generous) * 0.25 ("Some") * 0.25 ("Some"), or about a 3% chance that any random sample is "contaiminated by child slavery."

              Perhaps the compounded probabilities that child labor and slavery were used to farm the chocolate is just too much for you to bear. If you choose to boycott chocolate or buy it at Oxfam (or from some other vendor participating in a fair trade program) that's your choice. However, don't expect us to be swayed to your POV by a sensationalist report, or by misrepresenting the facts of the issue.

              If I were swayed by your POV, I wouldn't know where to stop. Obviously, I'd have to be a vegetarian at least (think about the cruelty in the slaughterhouses), or more likely a vegan (do I want cows subjugated to provide cream for my mushroom soup?). But it wouldn't end there. Should I be buying products from China, which uses slave labor in agriculture and manufacturing? Should I boycott US agricultural products because they use mistreated migrant labor to harvest possibly GMO crops? Should I boycott all South American products because I disagree with the kinds of repression they force upon their peoples?....

               

              This is not a perfect world. It's sad that slavery works its way into the chocolate trade. The best thing we can do, paradoxically is buy chocolate and use commerce to pressure farmers from using child labor and slavery.

              • The facts are straight - The industry refuses to disclose the proportion of cocoa producedby chold labor or child slave labor.

                Each time you buy a chocolate bar - chances are the cocoa will not be from a single source - its not audited or accountable. Therefore if 50% of cocoa is from a country that suffers child slavery then there is a very high probability that some of that bar is from that country - say 80 to 90%.

                Then because the cocoa from that country is again unaccountably bought in bulk and all mi

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