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• Circus (Score:1)

  by jamiemccarthy (664)

  Philosophy aside, what has happened here is that once again, a handful of extremely wealthy Republicans have made us a laughingstock to the rest of the world. We have Gary Coleman on the ballot to lead the fifth largest economy in the world.

  And what's funny is that if the vote were held today, Arnold would win and he has no more experience than Gary.
  • Re:Circus (Score:2)

    by pudge (1) on 2003.08.10 14:05 (#22964) Homepage Journal

    The people of California decided they wanted it to work this way. You call it a circus, which it may be, but it is, in fact, what the people of California chose when they created the recall, and when they used it in the past. Calling it a circus and saying it makes us look like a laughingstock -- whether true or not -- are completely irrelevant and uninteresting assertions to me.
    
    Saying it is a "handful of extremely wealthy Republicans" ... it seems like you are trying to paint it as some fringe element controlling things, when the facts are that 1.3 million or so California voters directly approved of the recall vote, and so far it looks like a majority of California voters favor voting against Davis in the recall.
    
    What I find funny is that non-Californians are telling the Californians that their chosen process is wrong. It's none of your business. Don't like it? Don't move to California! I make no assertions about the rightness of wrongness of the process -- other than offering legal opinion, for which I am eminently qualified ;-) -- because it is not for me to say, and I actually lived in California for nine years. But I do no longer.
    
    And no, Arnold has more experience than Gary. Maybe the difference is negligible on the scale we're looking at, but he was an appointed federal government official, and he married into the Kennedy family, and he has done significant work for public interests -- especially related to education -- in and out of government.
    

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    • Re:Circus (Score:2)

      by TorgoX (1933)

      The people of California decided they wanted it to work this way.

      I am a people of California, and I was not asked!

      The proceduralist perspective comes down to: dead people who you don't know set it up this way for you and unless you follow the other process the dead peopleset up for changing it, then it will stay this way and therefore all is as it should be.

      Well, no; if something is ridiculously broken, then pointing out that every step followed the letter of The Law (or, in Californian, The Lah) does
      • Re:Circus (Score:2)

        by pudge (1)

        I am a people of California, and I was not asked!
        
        Sucks to be you. Especially living in Alaska!
        
        The proceduralist perspective comes down to: dead people who you don't know set it up this way for you and unless you follow the other process the dead peopleset up for changing it, then it will stay this way and therefore all is as it should be.
        
        Yes, that is exactly right, and good.
        
        Well, no; if something is ridiculously broken, then pointing out that every step followed the letter of The Law (or, in Califo
    • Re:Circus (Score:2)

      by vek (2312)

      The people of California decided they wanted it to work this way. You call it a circus, which it may be, but it is, in fact, what the people of California chose when they created the recall, and when they used it in the past.
      
      Actually quite a lot of people are calling it a circus not just Jamie. Yesterday's Arizona Republic Headline "Hurry, step right up! It's California's circus'. The fact that California wanted it this way is completely irrelevant and doesn't mean that people shouldn't comment on how
      • Re:Circus (Score:2)

        by pudge (1)

        Actually quite a lot of people are calling it a circus not just Jamie.
        
        I never contended or implied otherwise.
        
        Yesterday's Arizona Republic Headline "Hurry, step right up! It's California's circus'. The fact that California wanted it this way is completely irrelevant
        
        Irrelevant to what? Whether it is a circus? I already said this, that it may be a circus, but that whether it is a circus is unimportant to the reality of the situation.
        
        and doesn't mean that people shouldn't comment on how ridiculous the