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  Comment: Fugly! (Score 1) on 2010.08.27 3:23

by soulchild on 2010.08.27 3:23 (#72352)
Attached to: Idiomatic Perl 6
You seriously consider this "idiomatic" solution more elegant? If that is what idiomatic Perl 6 looks like, it will never take off ... Sorry, but that is as unreadable as it could possibly get and just fuels the unstoppable line-noise argument even more. Good languages _can_ be descriptive, self-documenting and to a degree self-explanatory. I always thought that one of Perl's philosophies was to be more like a human language. Guess I was wrong, it's math after all ...
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  Comment: Re:What's with the Python? (Score 1) on 2009.04.22 8:23

by soulchild on 2009.04.22 8:23 (#68225)
Attached to: Beautiful is better than ugly
Oh, nevermind then. I must have misread your original post.
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  Comment: Re:What's with the Python? (Score 1) on 2009.04.22 8:15

by soulchild on 2009.04.22 8:15 (#68222)
Attached to: Beautiful is better than ugly
Correct. Unfortunately it's not enough to have a good "product", you also have to make it appealing utilizing some sort of marketing fu. In reality, books are still judged by their covers - and perl.org is one of the more ugly covers I've seen when it comes to language websites :)
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  Comment: Re:I'd love to help ... (Score 1) on 2009.04.22 7:56

by soulchild on 2009.04.22 7:56 (#68219)
Attached to: Beautiful is better than ugly
Being responsible for a 10-year-old legacy web application on a daily basis, I fully understand these concerns :) But there's always the possibility of a gradual transition ... I'd start from scratch and design a new perl.org primarily targeting new users with the usual "Getting started", "Download", "Documentation", "Community" and so on sections. From there we can always link into the guts of the old (content-heavy) sites.
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  Comment: Re:What's with the Python? (Score 1) on 2009.04.22 7:44

by soulchild on 2009.04.22 7:44 (#68218)
Attached to: Beautiful is better than ugly

Do we want to be Python? Do we want to be Ruby? I would like Perl to be Perl. If I wanted Perl tu be Python, I'd use Python.

And this helps with attracting new developers to Perl exactly how? Or selling Perl to your pointy-haired boss? IMHO these two things should be the driving force ATM. The community's predominant underground attitude is cool, but Perl is not only a hobby of mine anymore, it also pays my bills and as such is a commercial tool in which I have commercial interest.

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  Comment: Re:I'd love to help ... (Score 1) on 2009.04.22 7:07

by soulchild on 2009.04.22 7:07 (#68214)
Attached to: Beautiful is better than ugly
To be honest, I also really don't see a problem with starting from scratch to set up a more friendly www.perl.org with a modern CMS and/or backend framework. If the backend holds back any new development, it's time for a change. But guessing from other posts this is not gonna happen in the near future ... In any case, there's way too much information on perl.org ATM which is only remotely useful. That's why I think the main emphasis should be put into some conceptual work to restructure the whole thing and make it more appealing to new users because the veterans already know where to get the information they need.
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  Comment: Re:I'd love to help ... (Score 1) on 2009.04.22 6:20

by soulchild on 2009.04.22 6:20 (#68211)
Attached to: Beautiful is better than ugly
I think I DID get the point that first and foremost an optical change is needed. nicholas brought up technical constraints which is why I thought about switching the backend as well. I didn't know that the sites which look like they can be dated back as far as 1985 had a decent CMS that sports a separation between backend and presentation ;-) Anyways, does anyone know why exactly the TPF doesn't invest some money into a professional web designer to polish Perl's appearance? This stuff really doesn't cost a fortune ...
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  Comment: Re:I'd love to help ... (Score 1) on 2009.04.22 4:31

by soulchild on 2009.04.22 4:31 (#68209)
Attached to: Beautiful is better than ugly
I don't know the current infrastructure, but IMHO it'd be a good idea to utilize some sort of flexible and static content generating CMS (Bricolage comes to mind ... Maybe we can even get David Wheeler to help with the setup and planning of the site)?
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  Comment: I'd love to help ... (Score 1) on 2009.04.22 3:49

by soulchild on 2009.04.22 3:49 (#68206)
Attached to: Beautiful is better than ugly
I absolutely agree to everything you said! As a full-time Perl developer and part-time web designer I'd really love to help renovating the appearance of Perl. I've recently done a redesign for catalyst.perl.org which got the approval of the core dev team (sadly, it's still not online though). So ... what's the best place to start offering help? :)
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