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Saturday April 02, 2005
09:09 PM

Brian Ingerson at YAPC::Taipei

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Last year he gave away JAPH t-shirts. This year, pink and blue IGNY ones, G for GNU? See slides at

What's the KISS principle? No, it's Kwiki Is Spoon + Spork. So one of the lines is, Only gugod truly understands Ingy's KISS.

gugod's Spork::S5, ( is Spork on steroids.

The talk was, Kwiki, the Ritalin and Everything. It seemed he wanted to look within and explain why he was different. What did he say about Autrijus, Ritalin and himself? Autrijus suggested he take some Ritalin? He suggested Autrijus take some Ritalin? He took some of Autrijus' Ritalin. Autrijus asked him if he was taking Ritalin?

The second slide was of 'Republican rocker' Ted Nugent (, who played at the first rock show he ever went to at the age of 16 in high school.

The third one was of Barry Manilow ( Barry_Manilow), who they apparently beat up. But the song, Mandy, was a good song, I think.

So Kwiki Sucks Rocks, but to get back to self-analysis, he said he was a slow typist. I can't remember him saying it at the talk, but on the slide he says he is easily distracted. On the other hand, one of his strengths is strong legs, and sticking to a theme. Being easily distracted seems the opposite of sticking to a theme, but perhaps being distracted happens from moment to moment, and sticking to a theme happens over long periods. I think he was referring to his work with perl.

Reinventing everything was both a strength and a weakness.

Anyway he likes Kwiki, because it social and distributive. And life is a video game, the only way out of which is to hack, hack, hack, collaboratively.

On the Six, Drugs and Larry Wall slide, he says he has ADD. A different explanation of his unconventionality might be the influences on him like Nugent and Wall.

In a recent p6-l message, Larry Wall says an important part of his psychology was being subjected to a lot of 'I'm not offended by what you do, but others might be, so don't do it' teaching, in other words, Be Conventional, which he had to work through. Ingy captures this Larry Wall spirit.

He also needed an acoustic guitar, and apparently was going to sing at the end of the conference, but was prevented by Autrijus going overtime on his perl6 introduction.

On the weekend at the conference at the backpackers hostel I was at there was a terrible Hugh Grant movie on TV where the kid wants to get through to his mother by singing at a school event, Killing Me Softly with Your Song, but the other kids start making fun of his bad singing, so Hugh Grant saves the kid by coming out with his guitar and helping the kid sing the song, and give us a happy ending.

Just sing the stupid song, stupid kid! They're making fun of you is part of the deal, I was thinking.

So, the fact we DIDN'T get to be embarrassed by Ingy taking his clothes off and doing Ted Nugent impressions was funny.

He is also apparently working on Cog with Ward Cunningham, sort of like Kwiki from a shell. It appears to be somewhere in between vaporware and releasable.

Back to ADD, just as Autrijus was starting his 2-hour intro to Perl6 and releasing pugs-6.0.13 at the same time, ingy wanted him to install a new Spork::S5Theme. Autrijus installed it, but immediately uninstalled it. Perhaps he didn't like the pug picture.

I wonder why Ingy was doing this. Was he offering Autrijus another hoop to keep in the air? Did he think the pug picture was important for the presentation? Was this ADD in action? His other presentation was about FreePAN, also among the slides at http://yapc. It is like CPAN, but with subversion and all revisions are available. It looks like it would spread out from the Taiwan Academica Sinica's Open Foundry.

I was interested in who he was competing with with FreePAN. Afterwards, I tried to ask Leon Brocard about the application of the ideas of his talk about APIs into the Yahoo and Google search engines to a CPAN shifting more of the load to clients, but he didn't think they had much application.

Then I asked him how he would develop new CPAN. He asked me what's wrong with h the old one. I said handling perl6 and distributing 2 versions of one module. I mentioned the problems with modperl 2. He and Sam Vilain didn't have much good to say about modperl 2.

Anyway, Ingy seems to be firmly on the subversion and svk bandwagon. Although there may be something on the slides about Kwid, he didn't talk about it at the conference, I think. He and Sam Vilain are apparently working on Perldoc now, however.
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