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jarich (4909)

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I run Perl Training Australia [perltraining.com.au] with pjf [perl.org] and do a lot of the course writing and maintenance. I also organise the courses we run, so if you want one, just ask. I hang around a bit on Perlmonks [perlmonks.org] and also help run Melbourne Perl Mongers [pm.org].

Journal of jarich (4909)

Monday May 04, 2009
12:38 AM

My goodness, my blog has ads!

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I try not to see many ads online. Generally they irritate me, and it's been extremely rare that the ads on non-search results have been selling something I'm interested in. (Those few times it's been because the ads were advertising a competitor to the site and product I was already looking at!)

I don't object to site owners using ads. I fully understand that many site owners provide services (such as this blog site) for free even though they incur costs such as hosting and machine maintenance. I just don't like to see them.

Regardless of the ethics in this debate, I was shocked to find out that not only does use.perl.org have ads, but that my last journal entry had a very inappropriate ad showing. My entry was about the challenges of getting more women into Perl and IT in general; not about picking up women from a dating site. I hear this is a common problem with Google Ads and feminist websites/blogs/content; as if the terms "female" and "women" can only be associated with dating. :( This is of course not the site-owner's fault, it's a failure with Google Ad-word's attempts to be relevant. It's just rather disappointing.

I've complained about the ad being inappropriate (which you can do by following the "Ads by Google" link and choosing to give feedback about that ad).

This, more than any other thing is prompting me to get around to installing some blogging software on our server and moving my primary blog there. I expect to still cross-post here, as pjf does, but probably only my Perl specific writings.

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  • I use Firefox with Adblock Plus, so I never see ads. I wouldn't mind a website using ads too much, as long as they aren't invasive and demeaning. However, that ad was very demeaning. I'm happy you complained about it.

    • I disagree, and so does my girlfriend FWIW. How is this advertising demeaning? Have you (plural) talked with the women on the picture¹? Do they really think that they are in a position that does not give them the respect they deserve², or are you just making a presumption on their behalf?

      Too bad Google only provides a mechanism for complaining ( http://www.pic-upload.de/05.05.09/3o42l1.png [pic-upload.de]), but not for cancelling or counter-balancing a complaint. I cannot just as simply file a notice with them,

      • I didn't claim that the advertising was demeaning. I complained that the advertising was inappropriate for my blog post. That the ad-sense had got it wrong. That's feedback Google wants to know, because there are supposed to be mechanisms in place to prevent this kind of thing. Just because the ad-owner buys the words "women" and "female" (for example) doesn't mean that their ad should necessarily be a candidate for every page with those words on it.

        Turns out that the ad is for a "marriage consultanc

        • I complained that the advertising was inappropriate for my blog post. That the ad-sense had got it wrong. That's feedback Google wants to know,

          Right, and they're getting feedback from millions of other clicks and all of their non-human data mining algorithms. You're basically taking some kind of offense that their ad-placement algorithm isn't good enough. Just move on, and let whomever pay for a few wasted impressions.

      • I'm going to try to take it one by one:

        If you noted your girlfriend's disapproval as just another person, that's fine. I'm assuming a lot of people agree with me and a lot of people agree with you. If you noted her because she's a female, my answer would be the same. My girlfriend (who, happens to be a woman as well), disagrees with you. Does that mean anything? No. My dad would always say that children in China are not poor, because they have jobs. Whether the children think they "have it going on" because

        • Are you with your girlfriend because she has the right measurements, or do you care at all about her personality? I'm not saying I would date sasquach, but I would definitely say that measurements are not the way to choose a person you would like to be with.

          This question is entirely demeaning to daxim. From his post, you have no reason to suspect daxim of this or any similar character flaw. You might as well accuse him of wife-beating and date rape. You have just as much evidence for those charges as for this.

          How in the world did you get from daxim's post to "Trying to minimize an entire world by the physical measurements is demeaning. ... The entire worth of a person is not in the body he/she has, it's not in their technical or conversational capabilities"

          --
          J. David works really hard, has a passion for writing good software, and knows many of the world's best Perl programmers
          • My question to daxim was rhetorical, completely rhetorical. I'm sorry you failed to notice it. I hope he did not.

            A person is an entire world. These ads for a bride specify nothing by size measurements. That's how I got to "trying to minimize an entire world by the physical measurements is demeaning." I was trying to explain why I think it's demeaning, since he asked.

            He asked a question, I tried to answer.

            If daxim found my response offending (which it wasn't, it was a sincere explanation and started with a r

            • It seriously looks to me like you accused him of having a girlfriend solely for her physical attributes.

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              J. David works really hard, has a passion for writing good software, and knows many of the world's best Perl programmers