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Friday June 18, 2004
10:01 AM

YAPC: Days 1 and 2

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Work sucks! I spent Wednesday afternoon in phone calls back in the hotel room, returning for Damian's Perl 6 talk. I enjoyed the trip to get buffalo wings, but bailed on the movie to write my lightning talk. Wednesday I was nervously rehearsing, but enjoyed a quiet lunch with Allison. The talk went well (as did Chip's Perl-as-religion talk), and then it was off to the auction. I was so knackered from my late Wednesday that I had to slip off from the auction and sleep again. I'm getting weak in my old age.

Whose talks did I enjoy? Damian is, as always great. Steve Hayman from Apple was as entertaining as Damian, and I don't say that lightly. Daniel Allen's style guide talk had a message that everyone should be exposed to. The two talks on test-driven development (by Ted Karitonov and Andy Lester) yet again made me think I should be doing it.

I think the world needs a set of kata, small tasks that you can write tests for first. Then you can see how an expert wrote tests, and compare. Everyone works on different projects, so it's hard when people like Schwern and Andy say "just start testing your code!" to know what aspects of your code to start with. Baby steps, training wheels ... that'd be good. You listening, chromatic? :-)

Anyway, Abigail's about to start talking about, I don't know, regular expressions on crack, which seems to have been his theme throughout the whole of his speaking career. I think I missed the talk where he proposed solving all NP-hard problems with regular expressions, but I don't want to mis this one. Until later ...

--Nat

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  • Everyone works on different projects, so it's hard when people like Schwern and Andy say "just start testing your code!" to know what aspects of your code to start with. Baby steps, training wheels ... that'd be good.

    I have started implementing core tests that every module is expected to call - stuff like 01compile.t, 02import.t, 03constructor.t, and so on. the idea is that every module should be testing pretty much the same thing at the outset. and even if there is no need for an import() test, I ex
  • Good idea. I'll take it to the QA list and we'll figure out something.

  • I think that if we have individual PM groups go and work on modules for Phalanx, it'll help get the people into the groups.
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    xoa

    • That's a damn good idea. Having a group 'adopt' a module too might be a good idea too. So there's more focus and people have a smaller goal they can work on than improving the whole thing.

      I often think we should use the power of London.pm for good as well as evil. I should take this to the QA list as well I guess...which I *really* should start reading more often (bad me.)

  • Thanks for the compliment; I'm glad to know my talk wasn't pure naval-gazing on my part. I did feel odd giving a perl talk with virtually no code in it. :-)
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    -DA [coder.com]

    • There were a lot of #perlers whining "we already KNOW this" during your talk, which I took as a thumbs-up for the content and a thumbs-down for their ability to read talk descriptions :-)

      --Nat

      • You're neglecting the possibility that they read the description and went to the talk specifically to whine.
      • We stated the "already know this" bit during the Toronto PM meeting that recapped YAPC, but not as a whine. It was just that since Daniel had given the talk to tpm not too long ago, we didn't need to review it in detail for the people who didn't go to YAPC. The fact that a number of us went to the YAPC talk after having heard it before in Toronto could be taken as a thumbs-up for the content too.