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Wednesday April 02, 2003
12:18 AM

Politics

[ #11391 ]
"Homeland security" is neither about the homeland nor security. Discuss.

This is appalling.

--Nat

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  • Yet another reason why non-merkins find the statement that America is the land of the free so ludicous. While America is not the only country guilty of this, there seems to be a heighten emphasis in the last few years (even before September 2001) to detain anyone who might have anti government ideals or not of American birth.

    I follow various commentaries of protesters on a couple of underground networks, and some of them have some horrific stories. A protest last year involving many families (including ki

    • Yet another reason why non-merkins find the statement that America is the land of the free so ludicous.

      Furriners can find whatever they like ludicrous, but they should realize that while America has its problems, it consistently stands up for freedom in the world. Sometimes it takes awhile, but this sort of thing, while apparently appalling ("apparently" because I can't accept one side of the story without hearing the other), is nothing new. When the Union was not yet out of puberty, we were jailing peo
      • I personally find the statement ludicrous, because there have been far too many instances where the right to free speech and basic freedom, have been taken away. Not just by governments, but also by culture. My observations of these cases has increased, whether that means there are more or just the fact more are being reported I don't know. I suspect the fact the they can now be reported quicker and more widely is a big factor. I wasn't intentionally hiding behind hyperbole, I was just stating how I saw the
        • I wasn't intentionally hiding behind hyperbole, I was just stating how I saw the situation.

          So you really think that there is an emphasis to detain ANYONE who MIGHT have anti-government ideals, or is not of American birth? You really see the situation that way, you were not using hyperbole? If so, then your perception is so skewed it is useless.

          There are many countries who stand up for freedom, thats why we have a United Nations.

          That sentence makes no sense. The UN is primarily about peace, not free

  • Appalling is an understatement.

    I don't think anyone can blame you if you stay in New Zealand and just come here for OSCON. :-)

      - ask
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    -- ask bjoern hansen [askbjoernhansen.com], !try; do();

  • This [freemikehawash.org] is appalling.

    That would be the same FBI that had an innocent British citizen detained in South Africa, and then didn't interview him for 3 weeks [bbc.co.uk]? So no, we're not safe from their TLC just because we're not in the US. And I still don't understand why they served a warrant when he was on holiday, rather than when he was at home in the UK.