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gav (2710)

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Monday July 07, 2003
02:25 PM

stealing considered harmful

[ #13309 ]

Throughout this ongoing hoopla about P2P and file{sharing,swapping} the RIAA are going about telling everybody that they are 'stealing'. This is a clever spin to make it seem (more) evil. The only loss with filesharing is the potential loss of a sale. It's like calling somebody a thief because they wrote a negative review of a CD. They reduced the potential sales, are they stealing too?

I'm not saying that it isn't wrong (or not illegal) but you cannot compare the physical theft of a CD from a music store to downloading a few MP3s over the internet. The RIAA is in a unique position, they fuck over artists and they turn round and fuck over consumers with overpriced crud. Then they complain that P2P users are the culprits.

I like buying CDs. I prefer to own a shiny original in a nice case than a CDR. I own well over 300 CDs. The amount I've bought over recent months is less than usual, there just doesn't seem to be much that I want to plonk down fifteen bucks for. I've got no real point accept for the fact that I'm more than happy to spend my hard earned money on a quality product. I'm sure I'm not alone, but the RIAA doesn't seem to want to listen.

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  • We join the BMG Jazz club.

    7 CDs for the price of shipping and handling when you buy 1 for the regular full price.

    Then we quit.

    Several months go by, we get an offer from BMG to get 7 CDs for the price of shipping and handling if we buy 1 for the regular full price.

    Then we quit.

    Several months go by...

    (Been doing this for around 6 years now...)
    • My brother did the same thing and has a collection of CDs easily totalling over two thousand. He is what the P2P movement is at its best -- a guy looking for stuff most record companies don't bother to put out any more, rarities. They're all he looks for, and he doesn't find that many.

      You are what you think.
  • I am puzzled as to why I should pay such a high price for CDs new when I can wait and buy them in the sales (the results of producing more copies of less music - how many 80's compilations of the same 20 songs does the world need) or buy them second hand.

    mp3 isn't just about CD's - I have 90% of my mp3 on CD or Vynl or cassette and often on all 3. Some new, some old - many bought at very very low prices.

    I agree that mp3 just isn't the same as having a real CD - I have lost gigabytes of mp3 files stored


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  • I don't like the RIAA or copyright law, not one bit, but the argument that the RIAA is just a bunch of crooks thereby making theft OK is just not enough for me. I have never used napster or anything like it on the net but I have shared music with friends in limited amounts much of which made us all buy CDs of the music we sampled. People say they have the best interests of the artists in mind but, let's be realistic, I don't think that's true. We all want some new tunes and we don't want to pay $15 or more

    • I'm wondering how you are able on the one hand able to say:

      hey, the entire US is like a giant ponzi get-rich-overnight-if-you-sue-the-right-company scheme...start thinking instead of just reacting like teenage children.

      And then moments later:

      I completely support Apple and their iTunes store as they have at least tried to make a happy medium between online files and record companies.

      Last time I checked, Apple was headquartered in the United States. I have absolutely nothing against people critici