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Wednesday February 20, 2002
01:07 PM

Presidentials II

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Finally, we have both big candidates! Jospin declared himself today, totally by surprise (all predictions planned on later dates). YAY!

Now, hopefully things will become interesting in this bloody boring campaign.

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  • The only new thing, is that it will be too short to present/explain/compare seriously the different programs...

    Otherwise it seems it will be as usual in France :
    • People only talking about what others did wrong
    • People talking about the "affaires"
    • People making vague promises that they will forget as soon as they'll be elected...
    • No serious real debate

    The worst is that it's true for each party !
    (I can give example, if asked)

    It sometimes makes me sick to hear them complaining about the people's lack of

    • As I said in my previous entry on the subject, campaigns aren't where politics happen. Never, not in any country that I know. To a certain extent, this can be considered "logical". The goal of the campaign is to win the elections, and then the politics happen (or not ;-)

      I totally agree that this is not optimal, but in the past having genuine public debates has proven disastrous as any well-developed idea is broken by the simplest demagogy. One thing that I find a pity is that the programs are avail

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      -- Robin Berjon [berjon.com]

      • I hope you won't take it for a personnal attack, but what you say is a perfect illustration of what I dislike in politician politic :

        The goal of the campaign is to win the elections, and then the politics happen (or not ;-)
        Sorry but no, Call me an idealist but I thought it should be a moment when everybody would present/share/compare his Ideas to make the things better.
        Now every people involved in politic find it normal to see it ONLY as a race to win (Should I underline that the reach for power total
        • The goal of the campaign is to win the elections, and then the politics happen (or not ;-)

          Sorry but no, Call me an idealist but I thought it should be a moment when everybody would present/share/compare his Ideas to make the things better.

          Well, autarch, this is one place where I absolutely agree with you. Democracy fails in the current American election system, because Democracy (in America) is supposed to be where the people decide how the country should be governed. And that is not what happens.

          O

          • I don't know if that could help one way or another, but there's a law in France that guarantees that all candidates have equal access to televised speech. Such laws are hard to evaluate and put into practice, but overall I think it helps. Those rules are possible because the french legal system differentiates between free speech and free press, and puts the former above the latter. I'm not sure how that would map into the american approach to free speech, which is notoriously different.

            There are al

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            -- Robin Berjon [berjon.com]

        • First and foremost, I don't take this as a personal attack. This is a discussion site, if I didn't want people to voice their opinions I'd turn comments off. I hope you don't take anything personally either.

          Second, while I'm a member of the PS for pragmatic reasons (ie I want to be involved in politics, and it is the best option I could find after moving through a number of parties) I am clearly not representative of the main tendencies of the party -- I'm probably on the most leftist branch, and c

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          -- Robin Berjon [berjon.com]