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Sunday January 13, 2002
10:12 PM

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I don't understand how people consider it "fun", "relaxing" or even "entertaining" to get dressed up in their nicest tuxes and gowns on vacation

Formal nights are a big cash parade. I mean, I got funny looks for silver hair and dress socks under sandles with my suit. Geesh.

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  • and if you ask me which empire....:)

    • The Woodrow Wilson Empire? (President responsible for creating the economic boom of the 20's, with war, no less)

      In any case, which ever it is, it was a titanic empire.
      --
      Casey West
      • No, Casey, a REAL Empire, The British one. :) It's not really a formal dinner until there is at least one utensil in front of you that you haven't the faintest idea of which course it's for. Formal dinners are fun and, besides, guys have it easy with a suit you can wear for every occasion as women require a different dress for each night.

        Would IRC-ing from the dinner table help?

        • I've noticed throwback reminders of "the Empire" in a number of ways that are typified in that comment "...and if you ask me which one...".

          If you ever hear of any institution that refers to itself as "The Institution" without naming a nationality, chances are extremely high that it is British. The Royal Mail, coins with a picture of Elizabeth II but no nation named, lots of others I can't recall right now.

          Perhaps this is a throwback mindset, in which some people are not yet willing to acknowledge that
          • And just maybe people enjoy a little bit of tradition and fun on a cruise. Dressing for dinner isn't that traumatic.

            • I'd enjoy it (wish I were there :-). I'm not all that thrilled to dress up, but (unlike Pudge) I don't find it intolerable.

              My previous post could be marked off-topic, as it was not referring to the original cruise at all. (Hmm, I wonder if I can use one of my moderator points to downgrade my own post. If this were slashdot, I might try it, but I haven't seen much moderation being done here.)
  • Look at it this way: formal nights are just plain fun. If you expect them to be fun, they'll be fun. If you see them as tedious jump-through-the-hoop type events, then they'll be tedious (and boring).

    A couple of wise people convinced of this POV. First, there was the friend who gets all excited when he gets a chance to wear his tuxedo. The tux is an indication that this is a [certain type of] special occasion. (The other way to look at it is that formalwear is a lifetime investment. A few hundred do

    • I disagree on most of this, except for the part of "if you think it will be fun, it will be fun."

      I don't see tuxedos as an indication of a special occasion, I see them as an indication of people trying to convince themselves an occasion is special. Case in point: formal night on a cruise.

      If I owned formalwear, I would feel more comfortable in it, but only because I would know it is mine. I would still hate to wear it, and it would not feel any less stiff.

      I don't like cruises, and I don't see what is
      • Oh, I meant to add that yes, if I think it is fun, it will be fun; but I am not capable of that level of self-deception.
      • I disagree on most of this, except for the part of "if you think it will be fun, it will be fun."
        [...]
        I don't see what is enjoyable about dressing up, in any respect, whether it is wearing a tuxedo or "spiking my hair."

        It's a big world, and TMTOWTDI. :-)

        Some of us feel comfortable in suits, and some of us don't. Ditto any other kind of outfit you can imagine (including t-shirts and jeans, shorts, bathing suits, whatever). My point remains that there's more than one way to look at "wearing the pe

      • I disagree on most of this, except for the part of "if you think it will be fun, it will be fun."
        [...]
        I don't see what is enjoyable about dressing up, in any respect, whether it is wearing a tuxedo or "spiking my hair."

        It's a big world, and TMTOWTDI. :-)

        Some of us feel comfortable in suits, and some of us don't. Ditto any other kind of outfit you can imagine (including t-shirts and jeans, shorts, bathing suits, whatever). My point remains that there's more than one way to look at "wearing the pe

        • Yeah, I can't be comfortable while having to wear formalwear, period. Oh well. :)
          • Then you probably haven't had a properly sized and fitted tuxedo to wear. There is no crime to dressing well a few times a year instead of looking the geeky slob that most of us do 99% of the time.

            • Then you probably haven't had a properly sized and fitted tuxedo to wear.

              That is not it at all. I hate to wear clothes other than the ones I like. I don't like those. Even if they were comfortable, I dislike them, and I would therefore be uncomfortable.

              There is no crime to dressing well a few times a year instead of looking the geeky slob that most of us do 99% of the time.

              That's precisely the problem: I flatly deny that wearing a tuxedo constitutes "dressing well." I agree it consitutes "dres