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Sunday August 30, 2009
09:42 PM

Website hatred or...

[ #39558 ]

I'm absolutely amazed at the stones being lobbed at the new perl6 site.

Okay, that's fine, not everyone will like it. That's a given for just about anything. But why so much negativity for a simple website? Or is it really directed at Perl 6 in general? From some of the comments it seems to be the more the latter, using the former as an excuse to say something. John Napiorkowski had an interesting post related to this a while back.

(No, really. I want to know. Comments welcome, particularly if there any rational, reasonable, clear-headed, non-conspiracy-theory-tainted ones. Just trying to get a handle on where the hate is coming from).

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  • It's easy picking on things you don't like, when you don't actually have to face the people you're talking to. You can be a douchebag to whoever you want.
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    • Agreed on that point, but I would like to get some reasoned responses. The other post I linked to didn't have much sound reasoning, just general douchbaggy-ness.

      Just to note, what's particularly funny is I think your instigator dropped in on #perl6 [perlgeek.de] at one point, I think trying to stir the pot. Not sure said instigator knew who s/he was conversing with...

      • For me it has nothing to do with Perl6. I think as it stands the site looks extremely unprofessional. It makes me cringe to look at it to be honest.

        Now, could I do any better? Absolutely not. I'm not a graphic designer, nor can I draw a straight line with a ruler. I know when I'm out of my element and wouldn't even attempt it. But does that mean I can't voice my opinion? No it doesn't. I know when I like something. I know when I dislike something.

        • For me it has nothing to do with Perl6. I think as it stands the site looks extremely unprofessional. It makes me cringe to look at it to be honest.

          You weren't the only one.

          Now, could I do any better? Absolutely not. I'm not a graphic designer, nor can I draw a straight line with a ruler. I know when I'm out of my element and wouldn't even attempt it. But does that mean I can't voice my opinion? No it doesn't. I know when I like something. I know when I dislike something.

          I have no problem with anyone voicing their opinion as long as it well-reasoned. What you state above somewhat falls into that category, but it would be nice to know (for instance) what about the site annoys you. The #perl6 folk seem pretty responsive to it.

    • I'm more than willing to talk about the things that suck about that logo and how to improve it face to face. I'm in Sydney, Australia. My name is Andres N. Kievsky. I'd be more than pleased to show what can be done, what can be improved, and why that's a bad logo, from my point of view and experience.

      My main concern is that it looks like a joke; it's not a logo I can be proud of, the overuse of primary colours has been long associated with primary school and first steps.

      The round forms and happy face deno

      • Yes, but that's not the way it came across, if that's not already clear from the responses you received. The vast majority of your responses were against Perl 6 itself, not the website.

        I am glad to see you at least positively responding to pmichaud and maybe helping out a little too.

      • Whoops, take that back. Apparently you aren't willing to help out. Sorry to read that, but no great loss, you're only bringing anger (incoherent anger at that) to the table anyway.

        • Damian Conway, on the thread I quoted:

          "Not so keen on "braintricity"; though it does lead to other ideas.

          For example, perhaps we could update:

          Perl 5 is the duct tape of the internet

          to:

          Perl 6 is the neurotransmitter of the semantic web"

          Would you like to work with someone like this? Who is incoherent here?

          • Damian Conway...

            Would you like to work with someone like this? Who is incoherent here?

            If Damian's reading this I'm sure he would agree, just maybe not on who's incoherent.

            • That's pretty much irrelevant. I dare you to say that out loud in a business meeting to a potential client.
        • As I said, I'm willing to help fix the butterfly. I have seen no replies to that.
          • As I said, I'm willing to help fix the butterfly. I have seen no replies to that.

            Um, do you mean this reply [perl.org] to pmichaud, where you said you wouldn't send anything? No mention of a butterfly there...

            Really, this is getting old. Reply away. You apparently need, nay relish, the last word, and it appears to always be argumentative and contrarian. I've now learned there is no point in continuing to converse with you.

            • I mean this very same thread. I am willing to meet and help design a new butterfyl/logo, to the best of my limited abilities. Or at the bvery least point out the issues, and how they can be solved.
  • Because when you already have a negative view on something for one reason (late) it makes things quadratically worse to add MORE reasons to hate something.

    Multiple negatives creates the impression of incompetance.

  • First a disclaimer: I haven't yet participated in either the development of Perl 6 directly or any of its marketing efforts.

    A few things that would trouble me as someone who hasn't been in the loop with Perl 6 for a while (I followed a bit closer in the beginning, but lost interest):

    • The colors are way too active. My eyes (or rather: my eye) have to switch focus all the time when I look around on that frontpage. Together with the multicolor butterfly it just seems noisy colored. I'd prefer a more consistent
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