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Perl 6 Design Team Notes for 12 July 2006

Allison

• the exceptions design document is done
• the next bit is the implementation
• Chip would like to finish namespaces before we implement exceptions
• I agree

Jesse

• any response to the final Artistic 2.0?

Allison

• no
• I haven't taken it to the OSI for approval and deprecation of Artistic 1.0

Jesse

• will that have repercussions as Perl 5 is still under Artistic 1.0

Allison

• it's still approved
• I'd just like to have it removed from their list of recommended licenses for new projects

Nicholas

• should h2xs get an update for the new license?

Allison

• not until Perl 5's license changes

Jesse

• we shouldn't worry about that until we get the OSI's blessing on AL 2.0

Nicholas

• haven't done much programming since last time
• I have an idea about fixing global discussion of inside-out objects in Perl 5
• that came up on p5p lately
• have a question about the p5to6 translator
• how is it?
• we haven't seen the SoC student on p5p

Larry

• I've been working with him, he's doing okay
• he hasn't been mostly interrogating the Perl 5 people
• he's working with the version I produced, rather than bleadperl
• just for a stable base
• feeding the YAML through his program

Nicholas

• the bleadperl version isn't perfect
• if you enable it, it fails some regression tests
• we tweaked things since you added it
• I hoped that your student would be capable of fixing these things

Larry

• I think he's better off concentrating on the backend
• let me concentrate on the MAD part

Nicholas

• I discouraged people from smoking it as it fails tests
• I don't want to pre-break our windows

Larry

• mostly working full-time this week
• heavy debugging mode right now
• am watching IRC and thinking about the questions people ask
• thinking about disallowing constructs that look like postfix operators but aren't
• did a bit of Synopsis doctoring on that
• also studying about how to put continuations over a VM that doesn't support them

Patrick

• out of the office on vacation most of last week
• have been answering various PGE and parsing questions
• after YAPC, lots of people are writing parsers using PGE
• Ruby, JavaScript, various other starting efforts
• helping them to improve their grammars
• also asking and answering questions on par-por
• chatting on IRC
• answering issues
• not happy about variable handling in the Perl 6 compiler
• will do that differently here soon

Jesse

• have my full draft of the State of Perl 6 roadmap
• relatively happy with it
• hope to do some wordsmithing before sending it out

Patrick

• with the contributor license agreement, is that a bottleneck for getting a commit bit?

Allison

• as soon as Kevin Tew's contributor agreement arrives in the mail, he'll get it
• we may not have to wait for it to arrive, but there's potential for some confusion there
• I can give them a fax number
• I don't want to put that on the license agreement

Jesse

• j2.com offers free incoming faxes
• we could have something generic and webable there

c

• is there a hackathon space on Sunday?

Jesse

• when does O'Reilly get access to the conference center?

Allison

• we do have a room available on Monday and Tuesday

Patrick

• me and Chip and Jerry at least will hack on Sunday

Allison

• one of the hotel lobbies might work better
• the convention center on Sunday might be chaotic

Patrick

• and there won't be wireless in the convention center

Allison

• Monday and Tuesday will be a lot easier
• OSCamp attendees get access to the tutorial snacks and wireless