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Thursday May 25, 2006
08:02 PM

How to Win Friends and Influence People Online, #74

[ #29714 ]

Complain where you can't actually influence anything except spreading untrue gossip, because no one involved with the process is actually around.

"...the OSCON organizers are openly hostile to Perl..."

Why just the other day, one of the conference people posted a patch to p5p to change all instances of [Pp]erl to PHP. I tell you, they're so sneaky....

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  • It's the word "openly" that I find strange there. If the organisers were being openly hostile then surely I'd be able to track down some evidence of their hostility somewhere on the internet. But I've looked and I can't find anything to back up this theory.

    They may be been "secretly hostile" (tho' I really doubt that too - given that at least two of the organisers are Perl book authors) but they don't seem to have been "openly hostile" at all.
    • Yeah, it's just handwaving nonsense. Perhaps he's trying to work O'Reilly over for next year.
    • I appreciate that point of view. merlyn is using 'openly' to mean 'secretly.'

      Another point of view, which I took, is that merlyn is using 'openly' to mean 'clearly,' or 'and they don't care if the perl community thinks they are hostile.'

      But it is all semantics, anyway.
  • It's amazing how things are taken out of context.

    In fact, it seems to happen to me a lot. I'm a felon because words of mine were shoved back in my face without the context to explain them.

    And now this is getting blasted all over blogspace as well.

    By "openly hostile", I meant that in the sense of "accepting fewer and fewer talks on the Perl tracks, and fewer tutorials". So, O'Reilly decreases the significance of Perl at the confererence, and as consequence, fewer Perl people show up looking for innov

    --
    • Randal L. Schwartz
    • Stonehenge
    • Thanks, lack of a Randal-Party(tm) makes me feel less bad about missing OSCON yet again this year, even though I would benefit from some of the non-Perl F/LOSS tracks. Still not sure if I can make YAPC::NA but it's at least closer.

      Sadly, the world does take us out of context regularly. It's not just you. brian d foy [perl.org] noted similar treatment just yesterday also. Executives / managers / clients seem to have defective lisetening bones the world over.

      Politicians learn that the news deals in soundbits, and

      --
      Bill
      # I had a sig when sigs were cool
      use Sig;
      • To be clear, I was talking about an isolated case of a single nut-job taking something quite innocent and using it out of context to support something completely different that what I actually said. I wasn't dealing with an executive or manager or client.

        The context of Randal's statement is clear, even if the history surrounding it isn't. I tend to look at IRC as the flow of thoughts straight from the id to the keyboard and then into IRC loggers, meaning every unfiltered thing anyone says now lives forever.
        • To be clear, I was talking about an isolated case of a single nut-job taking something quite innocent and using it out of context to support something completely different that what I actually said. I wasn't dealing with an executive or manager or client.

          Indeed. There are nutjobs who aren't executives or clients and vice versa. My point was merely that taking-out-of-context was so prevalent, there was another instance on use.perl.org the same day.

          The context of Randal's statement is clear, even if th

          --
          Bill
          # I had a sig when sigs were cool
          use Sig;
    • Take it like a man, would you Randal. You were quoted in a wikipedia article citing a different channel in late April saying the same thing. Stop trying to pull the 'i'm a victim' schtick every time someone calls your bluff.

      There isn't anything of much interest going on in perl these days. What, yet another hour or two of how to write your own template or other same old same old? The conference has matured, the users have matured and perl is wearing depends. When's the last time you went to an ADA confe

    • It's amazing how things are taken out of context.

      I linked to the entire IRC conversation. Exactly how much more context was there? (Explaining what you meant by "openly hostile" several days later in a completely different forum does not count.)

      I realize you've donated more time and energy to Perl and the Perl community than perhaps anyone else in the world, but your comment was stupid and mean.

      By "stupid and mean", I mean "potentially libelous toward at least two Perl people who've volunteered an

      • I agree that he probably shouldn't've used the phrase "openly hostile", but people say stupid shit on IRC all the time, especially in #perl. I guess I'm not getting why you linked to it from here instead of going on IRC to argue about it. Now instead of a hundred or so people idling, the entire intarweb knows about it. It seems kind of rude to take something said in a relatively private forum and broadcast it like that.
        • I guess I'm not getting why you linked to it from here instead of going on IRC to argue about it.

          I did that because I found it a couple of weeks later on the public Internet and hate to see friends and colleagues insulted without the chance to defend themselves.

        • Now instead of a hundred or so people idling, the entire intarweb knows about it. It seems kind of rude to take something said in a relatively private forum and broadcast it like that.

          Huh? I'm not sure I get your point. The conversation was already on the "intarweb". Am I missing something?